Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:00 am  

Mintball wrote:

Because I, having been told the story by tb, have not personally (yet) had the chance to interrogate him. I see no reason, however, to suggest that he is a liar.

I'm not suggesting anyone is a liar, just giving a one-sided and distorted view.

Mintball wrote:

Locog have far-reaching powers to do all manner of things – like placing the portacabins for the cleaners' accommodation, without any recourse to the local council (although that didn't stop the Daily Mail printing lies about the council having approved them).

Wow, portacabins hey, way worse than being told not to open a business.
LOCOG and the councils can suggest what ever they want, and I've no doubt they have, but I also doubt "they" have ordered anyone to close up shop.

Reducing the number of vehicles in London has been done with the agreement of service providers, if they wanted they could have as many vehicles on the streets of London as they wished, there is nothing in the Games legislation or the London Local Authorities act that allows anyone to prevent them.

Lots of I've heards and third party quotes, not that many facts though.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:26 am  

Durham Giant wrote: When i find a nice one of Liebknecht or Luxembourg i wil be happy to change it ( assuming i have the technical ability to do it.) Perhaps if you made the tiniest of efforts ... http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 1AWfw4D4Cw http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&clie ... 0QX564HYBQ Durham Giant wrote: But as you mention my avatar now everytime you challenge one of my posts ... No. I don't. I do, however, find it amusing that you witter on about brands or, as previously, about poppies – ie the symbols that people choose to wear – and then you label yourself here with one that can be interpreted the way I have illustrated. Durham Giant wrote: I would also guess ... Indeed.

Durham Giant wrote: When i find a nice one of Liebknecht or Luxembourg i wil be happy to change it ( assuming i have the technical ability to do it.) Perhaps if you made the tiniest of efforts ... http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 1AWfw4D4Cw http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&clie ... 0QX564HYBQ Durham Giant wrote: But as you mention my avatar now everytime you challenge one of my posts ... No. I don't. I do, however, find it amusing that you witter on about brands or, as previously, about poppies – ie the symbols that people choose to wear – and then you label yourself here with one that can be interpreted the way I have illustrated. Durham Giant wrote: I would also guess ... Indeed.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:35 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

I'm not suggesting anyone is a liar, just giving a one-sided and distorted view...

Hardly "one-sided", given the hype, for years, about how much the economy will benefit etc.

Big Graeme wrote:

Wow, portacabins hey, way worse than being told not to open a business...

I haven't commented on that situation – except to point out a fact about who allowed it. As it happens, apparently, they're nowhere near as bad as the Wail tried to claim. But then again, it was also claiming that the council had voted to allow the situation – when the council had never had any such vote or any involvement whatsoever in the decisions surrounding this. I know this directly from a councillor there that I happen to know.

Big Graeme wrote:

LOCOG and the councils can suggest what ever they want, and I've no doubt they have, but I also doubt "they" have ordered anyone to close up shop.

Go back and read what I actually posted.

And they have the power to completely remove Newham Council from the equation and create the accommodation for the cleaners without any recourse to the council, planning permission or anything else. It's irrelevant whether that accommodation is good, bad or indifferent: the point here is that Locog has that power and has used it.

Big Graeme wrote:

Reducing the number of vehicles in London has been done with the agreement of service providers, if they wanted they could have as many vehicles on the streets of London as they wished, there is nothing in the Games legislation or the London Local Authorities act that allows anyone to prevent them...

So deliveries outside of usual hours are 'voluntary'? Are you sure of this?

I return to the question I asked earlier: are you supportive of landlords evicting tenants in order to hike rents for the Games?

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:27 pm  

Good to see Cameroon going for gold in The Olympic Hide & Seek

Good to see Cameroon going for gold in The Olympic Hide & Seek

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:51 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Hardly "one-sided", given the hype, for years, about how much the economy will benefit etc.

Yes it is, you wouldn't accept that standard of evidence in a debate, the people with the catering business will have had plenty of notice.

Mintball wrote:

So deliveries outside of usual hours are 'voluntary'? Are you sure of this?

Where did I day that?

Mintball wrote:

I return to the question I asked earlier: are you supportive of landlords evicting tenants in order to hike rents for the Games?

No. But if you are still on about that catering business that is a totally different proposition to landlords evicting tenants from their houses and flats.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:54 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Two points - eBooks are not cheap to download, in fact for some bizarre reason they are more expensive than the paper version - and not many local authorities offer downloadable free library eBooks like Leeds City Council do.

Secondhand books are indeed cheap to buy and the best source of these for me locally is Oxfam, most cities will have a specialist Oxfam books shop and they are quite excellent, however they are still not as numerous as the free public libraries and it would be a real shame to diminish that resource and just leave the commercial sales of books as the only method of reading, in fact I can't think of another single most devastating blow to the nations literacy levels.

I would suggest sites like Play are a very cheap source of reading material especially many books can be bought and delivered for as little as £3 - significantly less than the opportunity cost of visiting your library. Very likely the choice at Play will swamp anything your local library will offer. An example Before I go to sleep £2.79, 50 shades of grey £3.85 etc

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I would suggest sites like Play are a very cheap source of reading material especially many books can be bought and delivered for as little as £3 - significantly less than the opportunity cost of visiting your library. Very likely the choice at Play will swamp anything your local library will offer. An example Before I go to sleep £2.79, 50 shades of grey £3.85 etc

The "opportunity cost" of visiting a local library ?

Thats your local free library, the one thats free to join and free to loan books from ?

When was the last time you went to your local free library and browsed its multitude of books for half an hour or so, have you ever been to your local free library, let alone costed up the "opportunity cost" of so doing ?

Its one thing to visit an online retailer when you know what you want, but you will never get the browsing experience of a real-life bookshelf in a virtual environment, its simply impossible to select an online book, flick it open half way through and read a couple of pages to see if its grabbing your attention during any book's "flat" phase - sure they all start off at 100mph because most people browse the first page or so to be hooked - you want to look 100 pages in to see whats going on before selecting, I was going to say "buying" but I haven't yet put my "opportunity cost" on a free library book yet.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:30 pm  

it takes a special kind of individual to ignore all available evidence

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:31 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

The "opportunity cost" of visiting a local library ?

Thats your local free library, the one thats free to join and free to loan books from ?

When was the last time you went to your local free library and browsed its multitude of books for half an hour or so, have you ever been to your local free library, let alone costed up the "opportunity cost" of so doing ?

Its one thing to visit an online retailer when you know what you want, but you will never get the browsing experience of a real-life bookshelf in a virtual environment, its simply impossible to select an online book, flick it open half way through and read a couple of pages to see if its grabbing your attention during any book's "flat" phase - sure they all start off at 100mph because most people browse the first page or so to be hooked - you want to look 100 pages in to see whats going on before selecting, I was going to say "buying" but I haven't yet put my "opportunity cost" on a free library book yet.

That's because Sal obviously doesn't understand what opportunity cost means.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:32 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

The "opportunity cost" of visiting a local library ?

Thats your local free library, the one thats free to join and free to loan books from ?

When was the last time you went to your local free library and browsed its multitude of books for half an hour or so, have you ever been to your local free library, let alone costed up the "opportunity cost" of so doing ?

Its one thing to visit an online retailer when you know what you want, but you will never get the browsing experience of a real-life bookshelf in a virtual environment, its simply impossible to select an online book, flick it open half way through and read a couple of pages to see if its grabbing your attention during any book's "flat" phase - sure they all start off at 100mph because most people browse the first page or so to be hooked - you want to look 100 pages in to see whats going on before selecting, I was going to say "buying" but I haven't yet put my "opportunity cost" on a free library book yet.

I would suggest a half hour of my time is worth more than the £3 it costs to get the book delivered to my door - my employer thinks so . For me I want to get into a book and the characters - reading 10 pages in the middle doesn't give me much of feel for the characters and the plot. Horses for courses I suppose.