Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:30 pm  

Standee wrote:

bloody fanatical Christians, all over Europe, making our laws (I wont go on)

Are any of these laws actually made up with huge influence from the pages of the Christian book though?

I don't think so, unlike the nutty Islamic folk, who like to create their rules of everyday living from the pages of their barmy religious books.

Its why they aren't interested in democracy - Democracy equals common sense and the rejection of religion in general.

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:41 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Are any of these laws actually made up with huge influence from the pages of the Christian book though?

I don't think so, unlike the nutty Islamic folk, who like to create their rules of everyday living from the pages of their barmy religious books.

Its why they aren't interested in democracy - Democracy equals common sense and the rejection of religion in general.

hundreds of our laws are based on Christian dogma.

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:50 pm  

Standee wrote:

hundreds of our laws are based on Christian dogma.

Rubbish... While historically they may have their roots in Christian values, most are just based on supposed common sense - Yes, we rightly still frown on theft and treat it as a crime, but we don't take adultery too seriously nowadays, do we?

However, many Islamic nations have their laws deeply entrenched in their religious texts - Their dire treatment of the female Muslim is ample proof.

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:28 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

but we don't take adultery too seriously nowadays, do we?

sorry, it's not a reason for divorce anymore, is it?

oh, hang on.

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:42 pm  

Standee wrote:

sorry, it's not a reason for divorce anymore, is it?

oh, hang on.

But it isn't because of some barmy Christian rule that people divorce if one of those in the marriage is committing adultery, its because its pretty much a common sense conclusion to a failed relationship?

There is a difference between using religious books as a guide to life and using religious books as a strict rule to life....

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:56 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Rubbish... While historically they may have their roots in Christian values, most are just based on supposed common sense - Yes, we rightly still frown on theft and treat it as a crime, but we don't take adultery too seriously nowadays, do we?

However, many Islamic nations have their laws deeply entrenched in their religious texts - Their dire treatment of the female Muslim is ample proof.

Equally as many Christian nations treat homosexuality far worse than some Muslim countries treat women

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:23 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Equally as many Christian nations treat homosexuality far worse than some Muslim countries treat women

Agreed, but Standee was trying to claim that Western governments somehow draw up their policies around the teachings of the Bible, in the same way that some Islamic countries rule their populations by the demands of the Quran - I'd suggest that with the change in attitudes and policies with regards to gay people, and with an esteemed Western leader like Tony Blair even being recently voted as a Gay icon, that being a homosexual in a 'Christian' Europe isn't quite as bad as being a woman in a strict Islamic country?

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:31 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Agreed, but Standee was trying to claim that Western governments somehow draw up their policies around the teachings of the Bible, in the same way that some Islamic countries rule their populations by the demands of the Quran - I'd suggest that with the change in attitudes and policies with regards to gay people, and with an esteemed Western leader like Tony Blair even being recently voted as a Gay icon, that being a homosexual in a 'Christian' Europe isn't quite as bad as being a woman in a strict Islamic country?

Try being a homosexual in a christian country like Uganda.

The fact that some rulers have chosen to take an extreme view of what they consider a holy book is not the sole province of followers of Islam.

Malaysia is a Muslim state but whenever I've been there most of the women have dressed in a similar manner to many western women.

A radical and extreme interpretation of a book is not the sole preserve of Muslims and I would argue has less to do with religion than a desire to dictate to others how they should live their lives

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:45 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Try being a homosexual in a christian country like Uganda.

The fact that some rulers have chosen to take an extreme view of what they consider a holy book is not the sole province of followers of Islam.

Malaysia is a Muslim state but whenever I've been there most of the women have dressed in a similar manner to many western women.

A radical and extreme interpretation of a book is not the sole preserve of Muslims and I would argue has less to do with religion than a desire to dictate to others how they should live their lives

Again, I agree with you, but I was referring to the fact that Standee thinks most of Europe is under a similar style of governance to Uganda, or any country using a holy book to dictate their population's lives.

Re: IS and the Western response : Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:53 pm  

While many religeons have issues with primarily sexual preferences and activity, only 1 ( and a tiny minority of it ) has openly declared that all who dont follow it should die

So who would that be