[Mild Rover]

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:08 am  

wotsupcas wrote:

And you do understand the difference between a rule and a law, don't you?

You understand that Boris Johnson believes that both are for people like you and not for him, don’t you?

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:29 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

You understand that Boris Johnson believes that both are for people like you and not for him, don’t you?

This is what irks me. I fully understand that rules and laws are for the "little people" and not for people of power and influence. But it was ever thus. I know Johnson is in the hot seat at the moment but the next in line whether he be Tory, Labour or monster raving looney will be EXACTLY the same.
You can't rise to a position of power without being a scheming, duplicitous nice bloke. So why would you expect anything different?

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:24 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

the next in line whether he be Tory, Labour or monster raving looney will be EXACTLY the same.

You've been conditioned to think like this to just let it carry on unquestioned. It's the classic "they're all as bad as each other" defence. It's a stance usually peddled by the tabloids. The Daily Mail did it yesterday commenting on the Owen Paterson story. Their front page had a big photo of Paterson with "Shameless MPs sink back into sleaze". It should have said "Shameless Tory MPs sink back into sleaze". By saying MPs it covers them all and keeps you thinking they're all as bad as each other.

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:27 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

This is what irks me. I fully understand that rules and laws are for the "little people" and not for people of power and influence. But it was ever thus. I know Johnson is in the hot seat at the moment but the next in line whether he be Tory, Labour or monster raving looney will be EXACTLY the same.
You can't rise to a position of power without being a scheming, duplicitous nice bloke. So why would you expect anything different?

What a load of crap - you can rise up the ladder by being an ethical individual you just need to demonstrate with every move the value you add. Yes you need to be aware of the challenges and have a strategy as how you will execute that strategy but that doesn't mean you have to step on all your peer group to deliver it.

As I have said before with a majority the size of Johnson's comes challenges - he thinks he can do as he pleases - fortunately kick back from outside of Westminster usually concentrates his mind as it has this week. I wonder how much of this is protect his own backside?

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:29 pm  

"They're all the same". Such a dumb, deliberately ignorant perspective.

Was Thatcher on the take? Was John Major? Was Gordon Brown? Was Theresa May? No, no, no and no. They may have had terrible policies depending on your point of view but they were fundamentally honest people.

Twisting yourself wildly to justify continuing to support this guy is both hilarious and awful at the same time.

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:33 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

fortunately kick back from outside of Westminster

It's the first time for a long time when it felt like the media, journalists and the electorate actually woke up and said "hey, this is wrong". Even those in the most sycophantic of Tory corners realised the strength of feeling across the whole political spectrum and chose not to die on Owen Paterson's hill.

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:22 pm  

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King Street Cat wrote:

You've been conditioned to think like this to just let it carry on unquestioned. It's the classic "they're all as bad as each other" defence. It's a stance usually peddled by the tabloids. The Daily Mail did it yesterday commenting on the Owen Paterson story. Their front page had a big photo of Paterson with "Shameless MPs sink back into sleaze". It should have said "Shameless Tory MPs sink back into sleaze". By saying MPs it covers them all and keeps you thinking they're all as bad as each other.

I haven't been conditioned by anyone, certainly not by the Daily Mail

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:24 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

What a load of crap - you can rise up the ladder by being an ethical individual you just need to demonstrate with every move the value you add. Yes you need to be aware of the challenges and have a strategy as how you will execute that strategy but that doesn't mean you have to step on all your peer group to deliver it.

As I have said before with a majority the size of Johnson's comes challenges - he thinks he can do as he pleases - fortunately kick back from outside of Westminster usually concentrates his mind as it has this week. I wonder how much of this is protect his own backside?

I agree with with your second paragraph but fundamentally disagree with your first

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:29 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

"They're all the same". Such a dumb, deliberately ignorant perspective.

Was Thatcher on the take? Was John Major? Was Gordon Brown? Was Theresa May? No, no, no and no. They may have had terrible policies depending on your point of view but they were fundamentally honest people.

Twisting yourself wildly to justify continuing to support this guy is both hilarious and awful at the same time.

Where have I said any of the above were on the take?
I was talking about Johnsons abuse of his majority.
All of the above will have lied, schemed and indulged in back stabbing to reach their position of power.. That's what I meant by you'll get exactly the same.
If you believe any differently you are naive in the extreme.

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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:42 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

All of the above will have lied, schemed and indulged in back stabbing to reach their position of power..

I'm really not sure they will have. They were principled and honourable Prime Ministers. Ideologically I disagree with some of them very strongly indeed, but it doesn't stop me respecting them.