Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:35 pm  

Him wrote:

That's because Sal obviously doesn't understand what opportunity cost means.

I would suggest as usual you are struggling with comprehension - maybe you need to visit your local library?

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:42 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I would suggest as usual you are struggling with comprehension - maybe you need to visit your local library?

I would suggest its you that has the problem if you think that by visiting a library you have somehow lost out compared to an alternative. It's free.
Maybe you never got that pay rise from your employer because you were always online looking for books instead of doing that in your spare time like everyone else. When you go out for a drink with your friends do you invoice them for the time spent with them?

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:56 am  

Good to see that one of the most jingoistic of British tabloids has managed to make a balls-up on the front page.

Here's the Daily Express celebrating yesterday's British gold medals. Only problem is, it's a photo of the Dutch dressage team:

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:47 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I would suggest sites like Play are a very cheap source of reading material especially many books can be bought and delivered for as little as £3 - significantly less than the opportunity cost of visiting your library. Very likely the choice at Play will swamp anything your local library will offer. An example Before I go to sleep £2.79, 50 shades of grey £3.85 etc

50 Shades of Grey?

FFS we're talking about books here, not some soft-core, chick-lit, pulp-fiction trash

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:51 am  

Him wrote:

I would suggest its you that has the problem if you think that by visiting a library you have somehow lost out compared to an alternative. It's free.
Maybe you never got that pay rise from your employer because you were always online looking for books instead of doing that in your spare time like everyone else. When you go out for a drink with your friends do you invoice them for the time spent with them?

Opportunity cost is very subjective - would I rather shop at play and use the extra time to play golf with my son who is moving to Australia in September than meander through a library. To me the opportunity cost of visiting the library is very expensive.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:58 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I would suggest a half hour of my time is worth more than the £3 it costs to get the book delivered to my door - my employer thinks so . For me I want to get into a book and the characters - reading 10 pages in the middle doesn't give me much of feel for the characters and the plot. Horses for courses I suppose.

So how on earth do you choose your book in the first place ?

You go online and see what is on Amazon's best seller list and just buy those ?
You walk into a second hand book shop and ask which book they have the most copies of and buy those on the basis that they must have been popular six months ago ?

You've never browsed in a library have you, you've never read sleeve notes and then picked a section at random to see what the prose are hung together like ?

I pity anyone who has never had that experience.

I especially pity anyone who thinks that half an hour on a Saturday morninh has to be costed out to see where their time would be best spent, or anyone who actually thinks that they are worth £xxx per hour.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:59 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Opportunity cost is very subjective - would I rather shop at play and use the extra time to play golf with my son who is moving to Australia in September than meander through a library. To me the opportunity cost of visiting the library is very expensive.

How much do you bill your son for the four hour golf session ?

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:33 am  

Sal Paradise – the individual who believes that, in "the real world", everyone can afford to buy whatever books they want; all sports facilities (and any other facilities) can be afforded by anyone – well, anyone worthwhile. Because if they can't afford books or sports facilities (including golf) then they jolly well don't deserve nice things.

And that's why he's never been in a library, doesn't actually know what else goes on in a library, will only discuss the issue from his personal perspective and would, presumably, be perfectly happy for all libraries to be closed and even more people thrown onto the dole so that he can then complain that they're scroungers.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:50 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

Yes it is, you wouldn't accept that standard of evidence in a debate, the people with the catering business will have had plenty of notice...

The length of notice or otherwise was never my point.

Big Graeme wrote:

Where did I day that?

previously, Big Graeme wrote:

Reducing the number of vehicles in London has been done with the agreement of service providers, if they wanted they could have as many vehicles on the streets of London as they wished, there is nothing in the Games legislation or the London Local Authorities act that allows anyone to prevent them..."

So it's an agreement – ergo it's voluntary.

Big Graeme wrote:

No. But if you are still on about that catering business that is a totally different proposition to landlords evicting tenants from their houses and flats.

I'm not. I'm 'on about' your apparent belief that everything is hunky dory really, McDonalds and co really do need defending from nasty corner shops etc. If that's the case, can we assume that, in the name of profit, it's fine for landlords to evict tenants in order to make more money?

As an aside, had my hair cut last night (Marchmont Street). The salon owner is yet another business person saying that business has been hit.

Re: That unmentionable sporting event - the madness continue : Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:56 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

So how on earth do you choose your book in the first place ?

You go online and see what is on Amazon's best seller list and just buy those ?
You walk into a second hand book shop and ask which book they have the most copies of and buy those on the basis that they must have been popular six months ago ?

You've never browsed in a library have you, you've never read sleeve notes and then picked a section at random to see what the prose are hung together like ?

I pity anyone who has never had that experience.

I especially pity anyone who thinks that half an hour on a Saturday morninh has to be costed out to see where their time would be best spent, or anyone who actually thinks that they are worth £xxx per hour.

Although, to be fair, you don't need to browse long to find something like this: