Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:52 am  

DaveO wrote:

Why the DRO was brought in doesn't matter

What rubbish. Of course it matters.

Of course, it doesn't matter to you, because that's what you want to happen across the board.

Those in the real world can point the the other, successful, franchises.

Did you find those figures, by the way?

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:17 am  

ROBINSON wrote:

What rubbish. Of course it matters.

Of course, it doesn't matter to you, because that's what you want to happen across the board.

Those in the real world can point the the other, successful, franchises.

Did you find those figures, by the way?

tut tut, you should know better, profit is BAD, socialism is GREAT, that is the Sin Bin mantra

the fact none of them can earn over 40K a year tells you everything you need to know.
(edit:adjusted for London weighting)

POJ/E as always.

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:05 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

DRO took over East Coast because the franchisee went bust, after taking over from Virgin, who ran it well and produced good figures.

Virgin did not run East Coast.

[DaveO]

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:28 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

What rubbish. Of course it matters.

Of course, it doesn't matter to you, because that's what you want to happen across the board.
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It doesn't matter because it's not relevant.

What matters is how much it costs the tax payer to have DRO running a line compared to Virgin or anyone else running it.

Now go on, explain to everyone why the reason DRO ended up running the east coast has got anything to do with those two costs.

Those in the real world can point the the other, successful, franchises.

Define a successful rail franchise which is what we are talking about here. One that is a license to print money for the franchisee as Branson characterised rail franchises as, or one that delivers value for money to the tax payer?

You do realise the reason why Virgin lost out to First West Coast was down to the results of a cost/benefit analysis to the tax payer? And you do realise whoever wins it when they sort out the process will win it on the same basis? Not because they have nice red and silver trains and staff that smile at you?

Now as you are of a right wing bent I presume you want to pay less tax, right? So you will want the company that eventually runs the West Coast route to be chosen as First West Coast were, purely on the best return for the tax payer, yes?

If so then it should not matter to you (or me) whether that is DRO, Virgin or First West Coast. Would you agree?

Did you find those figures, by the way?[/quote]

In the articular you dismissed as biased because you were unable to offer anything to argue against it.

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:30 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Define a successful rail franchise which is what we are talking about here. One that is a license to print money for the franchisee as Branson characterised rail franchises as, or one that delivers value for money to the tax payer?

Those two definitions are not mutually exclusive.

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:24 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Virgin did not run East Coast.

Apologies, I'm getting missed up with Cross Country. I did of course, mean National Express.

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:39 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

Apologies, I'm getting missed up with Cross Country. I did of course, mean National Express.

And GNER before that.

[DaveO]

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:34 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

Those two definitions are not mutually exclusive.

Again you have to define "success". For me success means providing a service to agreed levels that costs the tax payer the least. The debate is can a private company like Virgin ever do that?

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:08 am  

DaveO wrote:

Again you have to define "success". For me success means providing a service to agreed levels that costs the tax payer the least. The debate is can a private company like Virgin ever do that?

Does the above have to come at the expense of customer satisfaction?

Re: West Coast Mainline Deal Ditched : Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:22 pm  

Here's something that I have never understood about train travel, and certainly the inter-city train travels rather than the cattle truck local systems - why do they over-sell certain services ?

I've just this morning received a promotional email from Cross Country Trains advising me how to make sure that I get a seat on my next journey, which made me stop and read it twice - why shouldn't I expect to have a seat for my next journey ?

Can you imagine presenting a marvellous new invention called "railway" to the patent office or to a government health and safety committee in order to obtain permission to build thousands of miles of track for your new public transport system, and at the point where they ask you how many seats will be in each carriage you reply "70" and they write that number down and then you say "plus approximately another forty or fifty standing", thats the point when they'd put their pens down and ask you "and how fast did you say these trains of yours will be travelling ?"

You simply wouldn't get permisssion to run a railway if you had to apply for planning permission today.

Surely a scheduled service, like the once-per-hour five carriage train that runs down the length of the country from Aberdeen to Plymouth every day, should have the capability to monitor its capacity between its ten or twelve various sectors and when that capacity is full then refuse to book any more tickets and recommend that you choose a different time ?

You know, like airlines do ?

Virgin for instance ?