Re: IS and the Western response : Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:55 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Again, I agree with you, but I was referring to the fact that Standee thinks most of Europe is under a similar style of governance to Uganda, or any country using a holy book to dictate their population's lives.

I take it you're a Religious person, hence, can see no wrong in how it dictates lives and laws in the West.

Shopping hours on a Sunday...

Re: IS and the Western response : Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:57 am  

Starbug wrote:

While many religeons have issues with primarily sexual preferences and activity, only 1 ( and a tiny minority of it ) has openly declared that all who dont follow it should die

So who would that be

1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?)

2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual.

Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe

Re: IS and the Western response : Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:08 am  

cod'ead wrote: 1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?) 2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual. Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe 100% agreed anyone who doubts how stupid religion is, should have a listen to this (or go see it) saw this on Saturday evening in the West End, if you have time, listen to it (NSFW/kids) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... CqJ_9vFxRo

cod'ead wrote: 1) A religion is not a person (who - WTF?) 2) Misinterpreting a religion is not the fault of the religion, it is the fault of the individual. Peter Sutcliffe was from Bradford but only a fool would try to blame Bradford for Peter Sutcliffe 100% agreed anyone who doubts how stupid religion is, should have a listen to this (or go see it) saw this on Saturday evening in the West End, if you have time, listen to it (NSFW/kids) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... CqJ_9vFxRo

Re: IS and the Western response : Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:10 am  

Standee wrote:

I take it you're a Religious person, hence, can see no wrong in how it dictates lives and laws in the West.

Shopping hours on a Sunday...

No, I'm not a religious person, but I can easily live without doing a bit of extra grocery shopping on a Sunday..... However, I'm not sure living without my head for the 'crime' of not choosing to follow a certain faith would be as simple?

Re: IS and the Western response : Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:53 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

No, I'm not a religious person, but I can easily live without doing a bit of extra grocery shopping on a Sunday..... However, I'm not sure living without my head for the 'crime' of not choosing to follow a certain faith would be as simple?

your total lack of understanding of the situation is noted.

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:09 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Agreed, but Standee was trying to claim that Western governments somehow draw up their policies around the teachings of the Bible, in the same way that some Islamic countries rule their populations by the demands of the Quran - I'd suggest that with the change in attitudes and policies with regards to gay people, and with an esteemed Western leader like Tony Blair even being recently voted as a Gay icon, that being a homosexual in a 'Christian' Europe isn't quite as bad as being a woman in a strict Islamic country?

Its good that you mention Tony Blair, converted Catholic, in this paragraph - now what was it that he said again about making his mind up whether or not to invade Iraq (and all that followed), something about asking his God what he should do, something which he also shared with his buddy George Jnr, presumably they both had the same hotline to their God and their God, he say "Yes".

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:03 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Its good that you mention Tony Blair, converted Catholic, in this paragraph - now what was it that he said again about making his mind up whether or not to invade Iraq (and all that followed), something about asking his God what he should do, something which he also shared with his buddy George Jnr, presumably they both had the same hotline to their God and their God, he say "Yes".

Is that how Blair sold it to Parliament then?.....

Nah, a group of people actually sat there and debated whether to go to war. Unfortunately, they decided to go ahead.

Now whether God brainwashed all those guys too, I don't know, but I'm pretty certain Tony didn't stand up on the day and say 'Its what God wants, lads'.

If Blair openly admits to praying to god for guidance, then that's his own lookout, but I'm still pretty certain we don't use holy books to make our laws, unlike in some other countries around the world......

..... 'Right everybody, human rights.... Now it says in Matthew, Chapter....' .....

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:08 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Is that how Blair sold it to Parliament then?.....

Nah, a group of people actually sat there and debated whether to go to war. Unfortunately, they decided to go ahead.

Now whether God brainwashed all those guys too, I don't know, but I'm pretty certain Tony didn't stand up on the day and say 'Its what God wants, lads'.

If Blair openly admits to praying to god for guidance, then that's his own lookout, but I'm still pretty certain we don't use holy books to make our laws, unlike in some other countries around the world......

..... 'Right everybody, human rights.... Now it says in Matthew, Chapter....' .....

you clearly are misguided to believe that religion does not impact on our laws and customs.

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:34 am  

Standee wrote:

you clearly are misguided to believe that religion does not impact on our laws and customs.

...... Of course it impacts, we are historically a very Christian country, so like we have many fantastic religious relics scattered over our land, we will have laws and traditions that have their roots in that faith.

However, I still don't think much of Parliament's business is carried out under the strict guidance of the Bible.

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:57 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

:WALL: ...... Of course it impacts, we are historically a very Christian country, so like we have many fantastic religious relics scattered over our land, we will have laws and traditions that have their roots in that faith.

However, I still don't think much of Parliament's business is carried out under the strict guidance of the Bible.

so, you're changing the focus of the conversation now, to talk about current law making.

we are NOT a Christian country, we are a country that has had Christian Dogma determine our path... crusades...?