[Mild Rover]

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:47 pm  

I see the Government have decided their own withdrawal agreement is rubbish.

I wonder what they’ll do when they work out that breaking international law is a rubbish solution.

It may be stupid, but at least it is our own British stupidity... I suppose. Yay.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:49 pm  

Whatever happens it’s Boris and his government’s stupidity but sadly it is all of us that will have to pay.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:50 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

I see the Government have decided their own withdrawal agreement is rubbish.

I wonder what they’ll do when they work out that breaking international law is a rubbish solution.

It may be stupid, but at least it is our own British stupidity... I suppose. Yay.

All they have done is react to the EU threatening to ban all UK exports of food to Northern Ireland - that is the culture of the EU - if they don't get their own way they want to play stupid games - Frost is way to tough for Barnier. Let's just draw a line a line under it and move on accept the talks are going nowhere and get on preparing for WTO terms in January.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:18 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

All they have done is react to the EU threatening to ban all UK exports of food to Northern Ireland - that is the culture of the EU - if they don't get their own way they want to play stupid games - Frost is way to tough for Barnier. Let's just draw a line a line under it and move on accept the talks are going nowhere and get on preparing for WTO terms in January.

For all of our sakes, we'd be better off agreeing to disagree and at least having 14 weeks to set things up to run with WTO terms, apart from 14 week just isn't long enough to have everything in place.
It's certainly going to get interesting and not necessarily in a good way.

As for Barnier and Frost, you are kidding - right ?
Frost looked like the new kid at school, following one of the "bigger boys" round.so that he didn't get lost.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:21 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

All they have done is react to the EU threatening to ban all UK exports of food to Northern Ireland - that is the culture of the EU - if they don't get their own way they want to play stupid games - Frost is way to tough for Barnier. Let's just draw a line a line under it and move on accept the talks are going nowhere and get on preparing for WTO terms in January.

Looking forward to those multi mile long lines of lorries queuing through the Kent countryside and sheep farmers going out of business because there isn't any WTO quota available for them under the rules we've decided to adopt.

I think some of these Brexit jokers think WTO is actually some sort of free trade basis, but then research and facts aren't their fortes.

But what tariffs are they proposing to apply? Zero tariffs and a free trade Nirvana? Remember what we apply to the EU we have we apply to the rest of the world, China included, so zero tariffs would flood the UK with imports and destroy domestic sectors.
"Punish" the EU for not folding to your ridiculous demands? Again you'd need to apply those to almost everyone so either shortages or inflation would be the enemy there.
Still I'm sure it's all been carefully thought through.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:22 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

All they have done is react to the EU threatening to ban all UK exports of food to Northern Ireland - that is the culture of the EU - if they don't get their own way they want to play stupid games - Frost is way to tough for Barnier. Let's just draw a line a line under it and move on accept the talks are going nowhere and get on preparing for WTO terms in January.

I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

Whatever we choose, there are consequences to deal with - and Johnson is apparently unwilling to do that. Tbf, his lies are catching up with him, so I can understand his reluctance. And if he tried, one or more of the of the groups that put their trust in him will be (metaphorically) out for his blood. He's running out of time and lies to tell very rapidly now.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:01 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

Whatever we choose, there are consequences to deal with - and Johnson is apparently unwilling to do that. Tbf, his lies are catching up with him, so I can understand his reluctance. And if he tried, one or more of the of the groups that put their trust in him will be (metaphorically) out for his blood. He's running out of time and lies to tell very rapidly now.

It's laughable really. We were told what a strong position we'd be in in these negotiations. How on earth does that square with the EU being able to "bully" us in the first place?

The reality is the EU set out their red lines very clearly, very early on. And, as they stick to them, and as we find that there is no cake and eat it solution to keeping the vast benefits of EU membership, the people who've been lying for the past 5 years are finding that everything they portrayed as Project Fear is gradually coming true. Now they're starting to throw their toys out of the pram because those nasty Europeans won't let us keep the all the things they've suddenly realised we actually need after all.

Utterly lacking in self awareness, utterly refusing to take any responsibility for the mess they've made and the damage they've done to our country.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:31 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Looking forward to those multi mile long lines of lorries queuing through the Kent countryside and sheep farmers going out of business because there isn't any WTO quota available for them under the rules we've decided to adopt.

I think some of these Brexit jokers think WTO is actually some sort of free trade basis, but then research and facts aren't their fortes.

But what tariffs are they proposing to apply? Zero tariffs and a free trade Nirvana? Remember what we apply to the EU we have we apply to the rest of the world, China included, so zero tariffs would flood the UK with imports and destroy domestic sectors.
"Punish" the EU for not folding to your ridiculous demands? Again you'd need to apply those to almost everyone so either shortages or inflation would be the enemy there.
Still I'm sure it's all been carefully thought through.

Do we not trade with the likes of China on WTO terms? Who has said anything about zero tariffs?

Nobody is saying punish the EU - surely the view was trade talks would undertaken in the spirit of finding a workable solution - can you genuinely say the EU has tried to be constructive? Your view is we just concede everything to get a free trade deal i.e. in the EU - fortunately that ship has sailed.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:32 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

For all of our sakes, we'd be better off agreeing to disagree and at least having 14 weeks to set things up to run with WTO terms, apart from 14 week just isn't long enough to have everything in place.
It's certainly going to get interesting and not necessarily in a good way.

As for Barnier and Frost, you are kidding - right ?
Frost looked like the new kid at school, following one of the "bigger boys" round.so that he didn't get lost.

So why are the EU looking to replace Barnier if he is doing such a great job!!

Re: Education, education, education and war : Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:19 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

I see the Government have decided their own withdrawal agreement is rubbish.

I wonder what they’ll do when they work out that breaking international law is a rubbish solution.

It may be stupid, but at least it is our own British stupidity... I suppose. Yay.

Am I right in saying there was a big stink about the MP's who wanted time to ratify the agreement, and they were told to just vote for it and get on with it?
Or was that a different agreement that was rushed through?