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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:57 pm  
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I'm really not sure they will have. They were principled and honourable Prime Ministers. Ideologically I disagree with some of them very strongly indeed, but it doesn't stop me respecting them.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
But if you don't think Major was scheming and plotting being Thatchers back I think you're wrong. And Brown behind Blairs for that matter.
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:25 pm  
wotsupcas wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree.
But if you don't think Major was scheming and plotting being Thatchers back I think you're wrong. And Brown behind Blairs for that matter.


Well define scheming. It was actually an initially straight fight in the leadership election between Heseltine and Thatcher. Only in the 2nd round with most of the cabinet unconvinced about Heseltine leading them, did they urge Major to throw his hat in.
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:41 pm  
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And that female MP that threatened to throw acid in somebody's face. Oh hang on a minute..... She wasn't a Tory. Best not count her then.


Oh, I must have forgotten about her, not.
Last time I looked, she was a long way from "running" the country.

The narrative and pattern that has formed under Bojo's reign, stinks the bloody house out.
The fact that you either cant see it, or, choose to ignore it, says quite a lot about you. but, you are of course welcome to your opinion.

There have always been poor MP's, right across the political spectrum and no doubt, there will be plenty more to come.
However, I don't recall a PM backing so many wrong doers, only for them to resign shortly after the particular "scandal".

He needs to have a word with Alan Sugar and learn how to fire someone.

Maybe you think that because they are in government, they should be able to do whatever they choose, without consequence. :CRAZY:
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:45 pm  
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This is what irks me. I fully understand that rules and laws are for the "little people" and not for people of power and influence. But it was ever thus. I know Johnson is in the hot seat at the moment but the next in line whether he be Tory, Labour or monster raving looney will be EXACTLY the same.
You can't rise to a position of power without being a scheming, duplicitous nice bloke. So why would you expect anything different?


Johnson is different.

I strongly dislike Cameron, and his lobbying for Greensill was a disgrace. I dislike May, and her role in the Windrush scandal. They have been duplicitous or nasty on occasion, through choice - and understand the consequences of being caught. Johnson is duplicitous to the core and thinks the world should be re-organised around him for his benefit, because he is special. He is different but he isn’t special… in my eyes at least. There are clearly people who can see something I can’t. Or maybe they’ve just bought the lovable bumbler routine, because they’re a bit docile.
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:26 pm  
When you've all done with your "pile on" please point me to my post where I have supported Johnson in this matter. I haven't. So at least stop putting words in my mouth
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:36 pm  
You tried the old they are all the same because a former Labour MP had been found guilty. The problem is that Labour have not tried to move the goalposts to protect her. In fact they have asked her to resign.
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:49 pm  
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You tried the old they are all the same because a former Labour MP had been found guilty. The problem is that Labour have not tried to move the goalposts to protect her. In fact they have asked her to resign.

And has she? Have they sacked her? Not sure of the rules on this one.
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:20 pm  
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When you've all done with your "pile on" please point me to my post where I have supported Johnson in this matter. I haven't. So at least stop putting words in my mouth


LOL, You’ve piled on a few times yourself especially of the back of the forum Drunks, Jonny and Chissy, :D
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Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:34 pm  
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And has she? Have they sacked her? Not sure of the rules on this one.


They cannot sack her that is down to the voters. They have suspended her from the party so she is now an independent but that is all they can do. What about the Conservative MP who was suspended after being found guilty of sexual harassment did they sack him, no they removed the whip. They have subsequently reinstated him which is another area of concern about how the governing party is behaving.
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Re: Why ? : Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:59 am  
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Well define scheming. It was actually an initially straight fight in the leadership election between Heseltine and Thatcher. Only in the 2nd round with most of the cabinet unconvinced about Heseltine leading them, did they urge Major to throw his hat in.

Planning and plotting. In this case to remove Thatcher and implant Major
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