Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 03, 2017 9:09 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No it didn't - that rubbish you think spending a few thousand extra was the difference between Amber Rudd winning/losing her seat - seriously?

Actually it was £182,000 in 33 constituencies, and there are 30 Tory MP's implicated; I think the electorate has a right to know if they may be voting for an MP who is facing criminal charges - don't you? Your belief in democracy may be suspended because some people are *real* criminals - but mine isn't.

It's academic now however, since Alison Saunders, the DPP, has been got at; she's said this morning that there'll be no announcement from the CPS until *after* the result of the election - how very convenient.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 03, 2017 12:20 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The problem is it isn't £300m its closer to £500m when you take into consideration uniforms and training and this is where Labour are so off the pace - nothing is properly calculated why 10k way not 8 or 12 - its schoolyard stuff.

The election fraud is so small scale as not to be even worth bothering about its just a way of those on the left grasping at straws is it any different from what Labour were fined for?

The whole lot of them are not worthy of their status and as the expenses scandal showed they are vermin eating out of the trough.

Small scale election fraud!?

Oh well that's fine then, shall we just turn a blind eye to corruption that doesn't meet our own bar for warranting attention.

As you say, all pigs in the trough but Corbyn's voting record is always in favour of the working class and against the interests of the super wealthy. He has also got a track record of speaking in favour of policies the benefit your average Joe. He's not the most polished fella, but compared with the wanton destruction of our services by May & Co - I can't vote for anyone else in good conscience.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 03, 2017 12:40 pm  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Small scale election fraud!?

Oh well that's fine then, shall we just turn a blind eye to corruption that doesn't meet our own bar for warranting attention.

As you say, all pigs in the trough but Corbyn's voting record is always in favour of the working class and against the interests of the super wealthy. He has also got a track record of speaking in favour of policies the benefit your average Joe. He's not the most polished fella, but compared with the wanton destruction of our services by May & Co - I can't vote for anyone else in good conscience.

So did Labour not get fined for the same thing?

As I mentioned postal voting is open to corruption - it should only be open to those who physically cannot get to a polling station e.g. UK citizens living abroad. Not for people you can't/wont/not allowed to go to the polling station on the day.

I agree Corbyn is a very idealistic politician would you prefer him running the country rather than May not a chance for me. You say destruction of public services the Tories are putting more money into health and education than anyone ever has. The issue is where do you stop and how do you fund it. Yes increase the tax take if you think putting up CT will yield more revenue and taxing the rich more unless its via PAYE will yield more I personally think you are wrong. Taxes have to be equitable or people will find a way of avoiding them.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 03, 2017 12:48 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Actually it was £182,000 in 33 constituencies, and there are 30 Tory MP's implicated; I think the electorate has a right to know if they may be voting for an MP who is facing criminal charges - don't you? Your belief in democracy may be suspended because some people are *real* criminals - but mine isn't.

It's academic now however, since Alison Saunders, the DPP, has been got at; she's said this morning that there'll be no announcement from the CPS until *after* the result of the election - how very convenient.

£182k is peanuts in the grand scheme of things not a lot different to the irregularities in the Labour campaign spending during the same election - All the MPs implicated are known so the people voting for them will be able to make a judgement call on them.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 03, 2017 7:02 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

£182k is peanuts in the grand scheme of things not a lot different to the irregularities in the Labour campaign spending during the same election - All the MPs implicated are known so the people voting for them will be able to make a judgement call on them.

Yes it is a relatively small amount of money overall - but the principal is important. And the HSBC dirty money issue is far from peanuts - and neither is the profit made by Mrs May's hedge fund husband on Brexit related activities.

But I guess so long as there are enough people like you prepared to overlook the excesses of the elite, they'll always get away with it and nothing will change.

Personally, I like to think that there's a better way - and Mrs May and her cronies will not offer anything other than further swingeing cuts to the things that less well off people rely on, whilst ensuring that for the privileged, the status quo remains.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed May 03, 2017 7:26 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

£182k is peanuts in the grand scheme of things not a lot different to the irregularities in the Labour campaign spending during the same election - All the MPs implicated are known so the people voting for them will be able to make a judgement call on them.

You say that they are all known but, there is very little (if anything) in the Tory papers about it and I'm not sure if all of those involved have been named.

It was reported that large fines and/or imprisonment could follow, so, hardly the "peanuts" issue that you try to pretend.

It would help the electorate to know who the MP's were that broke the rules and the extent that they "overspent" or is this something else that you feel should be ignored.

We have Grannies who cant pay their bills put in prison but, MP's once again, think they are above the law.

That reminds me, my duck house could do with a new roof

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 04, 2017 8:02 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You say that they are all known but, there is very little (if anything) in the Tory papers about it and I'm not sure if all of those involved have been named.

It was reported that large fines and/or imprisonment could follow, so, hardly the "peanuts" issue that you try to pretend.

It would help the electorate to know who the MP's were that broke the rules and the extent that they "overspent" or is this something else that you feel should be ignored.

We have Grannies who cant pay their bills put in prison but, MP's once again, think they are above the law.

That reminds me, my duck house could do with a new roof

I see you once ignore the Labour concealment of spending during the 2015 election are you suggest members of the Labour elite should also be imprisoned too?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 04, 2017 8:39 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I see you once ignore the Labour concealment of spending during the 2015 election are you suggest members of the Labour elite should also be imprisoned too?

If it is found to be deliberate and fraudulent then, yes.
Lock them all up.

Mind you the Labour MP's are likely to be looking for some other way to fill their time anyway, so, we might as well have them stitching mail bags or making slippers.

Many of those in parliament (on both sides) showed their true colours during the expenses scandal.
They are supposed to make the laws for EVERYONE to abide by bt, in reality, they couldn't give a toss about anyone, other than themselves.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 04, 2017 9:29 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If it is found to be deliberate and fraudulent then, yes.
Lock them all up.

Mind you the Labour MP's are likely to be looking for some other way to fill their time anyway, so, we might as well have them stitching mail bags or making slippers.

Many of those in parliament (on both sides) showed their true colours during the expenses scandal.
They are supposed to make the laws for EVERYONE to abide by bt, in reality, they couldn't give a toss about anyone, other than themselves.

I couldn't agree more - MPs for the most part are a necessary evil - they could be worse they could be members of the house of lords!!

I think Mullholland in Leeds is a genuine guy trying to do the best for his constituents

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 04, 2017 10:13 pm  

Mariana Mazzucato just about managed to set the record straight regarding the deficit, and the household budget falacy on Newsnight despite the obnoxious host.
It was amusing watching the Tory bloke on there trying to dodge the questions as to why they've started to implement Ed Miliband's economic policy, despite ridiculing it 2 years ago.