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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 6:29 pm  
The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles with.


Probably won't get a better description of him than that during his reign as 'world king'.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 6:34 pm  
The timing of this retcon being exposed is unfortunate for Cummings.

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-te ... oronavirus
The timing of this retcon being exposed is unfortunate for Cummings.

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-te ... oronavirus
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 6:46 pm  
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Absolutely correct - To cry about the treatment of Cummings, Johnson and the Tory party by the Media given their track record over the last 2/3 years is laughable


I'm particularly in awe of those who are offended by the people doorstepping him. This was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/watch-labour-mp-confronts-dominic-cummings-in-parliament-over-boris-johnsons-disgraceful-language
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Absolutely correct - To cry about the treatment of Cummings, Johnson and the Tory party by the Media given their track record over the last 2/3 years is laughable


I'm particularly in awe of those who are offended by the people doorstepping him. This was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/watch-labour-mp-confronts-dominic-cummings-in-parliament-over-boris-johnsons-disgraceful-language
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 6:49 pm  
He didn’t even have the intelligence to know that it can be detected when a blog is changed because why suddenly reference it, unless he thought it was to his advantage.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 6:51 pm  
There's a fine line between genius and quackery.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 7:25 pm  
I see the promise to look at those issued with a fine will actually not be reviewed. What about those issued with a fine for sitting on a bench I suppose it will be tough. I suppose just two more cases of them and the rest.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 7:46 pm  
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There's a fine line between genius and quackery.


I think that a lot of those who like and dislike him most understand him least.

I don’t think he’s what the alt-right fanboys think - although there’s always a danger of a contrarian going full-blown Morrissey. And I don’t think Remainiacs who conflate him with Farage or Rees-Mogg get it either. He’s a scruffy, grumpy, vain ideas magpie rather than an ideologue, imo. Finally, there’s a difference between having a genius (and three word slogans puts you more in a category with world’s greatest shove ha’penny player than alongside Einstein or Mozart, imo) and being some sort of general sage. In some ways he’s clearly a bit of a dipstick. Like nearly everybody else, including me, in some ways.

As an ‘outsider’ he liked to move fast and break things (now there’s an obvious joke!). As de facto Prime Minister, I’d quite like to see what his post-brexit, post-covid plan is. It might very well be cack... but it is like opening a mystery box, it could be interesting. I’m pretty sure Johnson has no plan, and I don’t want an unctuous git like Gove or dimwits like Raab or Patel pulling the strings. I’m close certain they’ll be cack.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:01 pm  
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If Hancock did so well against Preston why was he so quick to cut him off before asking a second question, could it be he did not want to be questioned further about his own circumstances. Your post merely proves my point that you are desperate to latch onto even the smallest hope that the government are doing a good job which of course they are not. The problem is that the government’s failures have resulted in unnecessary deaths and this is something that many will not forget, even if you try to ignore it.

:lol: Give it up. That was a belting 'up yours' to Preston, who's been asking stupid questions for days. He was a cock at No.10 yesterday and came on today trying to be a right smart-arse. It was brilliant. Hancock may as well have said, "get fecked Preston". His eye contact with the camera makes it even funnier.

https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/sta ... 3984104451 for anyone who hasn't seen it. (I have no idea who 'The Core' is, it's simply the first copy of it I saw).

Very clearly they're not taking the media on with this. Both Boris yesterday and Hancock today, whenever journalists have tried to be clever or too cutting, they've been cut short - the usual 'would you like to come back on that' has largely been absent. You on the left forget this government has massive support.

There's also a reason #mediascum is trending right now. And there's a reason there are almost 11k responses to Adam Boulton and his post "Anyone who refers to Media "scum" on my Tweet feed will be blocked. It is not an acceptable way to refer to anyone". I very rarely bother with twatter but it's been delicious watching the left whipped up in a frenzy and the rest winding them up. :)

I would never normally condone this sort of aggression but feck it, the gloves appear to be off. :ROCKS:
Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
If Hancock did so well against Preston why was he so quick to cut him off before asking a second question, could it be he did not want to be questioned further about his own circumstances. Your post merely proves my point that you are desperate to latch onto even the smallest hope that the government are doing a good job which of course they are not. The problem is that the government’s failures have resulted in unnecessary deaths and this is something that many will not forget, even if you try to ignore it.

:lol: Give it up. That was a belting 'up yours' to Preston, who's been asking stupid questions for days. He was a cock at No.10 yesterday and came on today trying to be a right smart-arse. It was brilliant. Hancock may as well have said, "get fecked Preston". His eye contact with the camera makes it even funnier.

https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/sta ... 3984104451 for anyone who hasn't seen it. (I have no idea who 'The Core' is, it's simply the first copy of it I saw).

Very clearly they're not taking the media on with this. Both Boris yesterday and Hancock today, whenever journalists have tried to be clever or too cutting, they've been cut short - the usual 'would you like to come back on that' has largely been absent. You on the left forget this government has massive support.

There's also a reason #mediascum is trending right now. And there's a reason there are almost 11k responses to Adam Boulton and his post "Anyone who refers to Media "scum" on my Tweet feed will be blocked. It is not an acceptable way to refer to anyone". I very rarely bother with twatter but it's been delicious watching the left whipped up in a frenzy and the rest winding them up. :)

I would never normally condone this sort of aggression but feck it, the gloves appear to be off. :ROCKS:
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:03 pm  
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whatever you say about Cummings he is a winner

I've already admitted that I usually don't get involved in these debates but as someone with a very open mind politically, I sat and watched yesterday's statement and questions and at no point in that extended hour did anyone look like a 'winner'.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:06 pm  
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Just out of interest, Cronus. Have you read Cummings' wife's account of the 'ordeal' in the Spectator? This is the sort of thing that I find sinister. It just adds weight to these sorts of people protecting their own interests, without a care for anyone else.

Kinnock and Jenrick were gotcha'd visiting their folks, presumably with shopping/supplies. You could argue that they drove unnecessarily to do so, but it was just tabloid fodder - "Be outraged about this, readership". There was a bit of muck throwing from each side, an apology, and life carried on. Hell, I bet most of us have been dropping shopping off for family.

With Cummings it's just a mess of lies and dishonesty. If he'd have held his hand up and said, "yep, guilty", I don't think there would be anywhere near the fuss there has been.

Check out the Spectator article. Tell me if it tallies up with Dom's story. What was the purpose of this article, other than to deceive?

Sinister? Oh please, get some perspective. Have you seen the footage outside Cummings' home this last week? The screeching mob? The pack of paps? The abuse? The threats? All with a 4 year old in the home? That's what I call sinister, not a magazine article. I have no truck with the article avoiding any mention of Durham. But then I'm sure you find the behaviour of the street mob acceptable - it's Dominic Cummings, after all, eh? He's a Brexiteer, he looks a bit dodgy. It's ok if it's one of the enemy, yes? Have a giggle over it, yes?

You say Kinnock and Jenrick "presumably" visited their parents with shopping supplies. You don't know that. You openly presume that. Their stories proffered that excuse and as it happens I agree it's fair enough to accept them as entirely reasonable. Interestingly though, you accept their stories on blind faith, but not Cummings. I wonder why.

What about Tahir Ali? Neil Ferguson? Catherine Calderwood? Other such as Kyle Walker? What about Wizeb, who has boasted he broke lockdown laws at least a few times for some rancid barmaid. You and the rest remain curiously silent on this despite responding to a post - in fact I've made several posts - calling you all out. Yet a man takes his family into isolation and you're in a rabid hysteria. I wonder why.

Hypocrites. All of you. You, wrencat, pimpernell, willzay, jukesays whoever else - until you condemn all those I've named and everyone else doing as they please including crowds on beaches and in parks, you're nothing more than the worst kind of hypocrites.

Let's play a game. Pretend you're in this situation:
A global pandemic is spreading fast, a new unknown virus.
Your wife becomes ill. Most of your colleagues are ill or absent. Your boss is ill. You're probably infected.
Your child is 4. You begin to think about what would happen if you both and were incapacitated, given the speed with which CV19 can hit.
You're lucky enough to have a family estate with a separate house perfect to isolate in, and with family around to care for your child if necessary.

As it happens I made similar plans back in March for if my wife and I became ill. It would require one of us travelling some distance to my cousin's house to drop my child off with her. Is that unacceptable? Yep, the rules permit exceptions in cases of childcare concerns for precisely reasons such as this - accept it, give over crying, it's pathetic.

If any of you say the better option would be for him to stay in London and potentially end up handing his child over to someone outside the family, you're lying.

However. while the rationale for taking his family to Durham is reasonable - I agree, the trip to Barnard Castle is a stretch of the imagination and he should have held his hands up and apologised. Clearly a trip out. No excuses there. Admit it, say sorry and move on. But unless you're demanding the resignation of everyone caught outdoors at that time, you're a hypocrite. And you aren't, so yes, you're a hypocrite.

Several days on and the media are increasingly furious that their target - who they've always despised - is still defying them. I'm enjoying every moment. Cummings may yet go, but the frustration on the left is wonderful. :D
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