Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am  

cod'ead wrote: A list of MPs and members of HoL with vested interests in seeing through the Healthcare Bill There is an argument (which I would agree with) that states that MP's should have some work experience in "the real world" before entering parliament and that being "advisors" or even "non-executive directors" of operating businesses gives them that experience. On the other hand there is something just very wrong about asking someone to make an impartial decision on something so important as reorganising a nations health, when that person has an absolute and unarguable vested interest in making the decision sway in one particular direction. Its wrong, and its right that the media are starting to draw attention to this.

cod'ead wrote: A list of MPs and members of HoL with vested interests in seeing through the Healthcare Bill There is an argument (which I would agree with) that states that MP's should have some work experience in "the real world" before entering parliament and that being "advisors" or even "non-executive directors" of operating businesses gives them that experience. On the other hand there is something just very wrong about asking someone to make an impartial decision on something so important as reorganising a nations health, when that person has an absolute and unarguable vested interest in making the decision sway in one particular direction. Its wrong, and its right that the media are starting to draw attention to this.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:21 pm  

cod'ead wrote: Running scared Cameron? Calling an emergency summit on pushing through the bill and not inviting any colleges that have been critical? You sad, sad, gutless, windy little coward I laughed, not sure out of hilarity or despair. What a complete idiot

cod'ead wrote: Running scared Cameron? Calling an emergency summit on pushing through the bill and not inviting any colleges that have been critical? You sad, sad, gutless, windy little coward I laughed, not sure out of hilarity or despair. What a complete idiot

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:22 pm  

cod'ead wrote: Running scared Cameron? Calling an emergency summit on pushing through the bill and not inviting any colleges that have been critical? You sad, sad, gutless, windy little coward http://newsthump.com/2012/02/20/cameron ... olby-city/

cod'ead wrote: Running scared Cameron? Calling an emergency summit on pushing through the bill and not inviting any colleges that have been critical? You sad, sad, gutless, windy little coward http://newsthump.com/2012/02/20/cameron ... olby-city/

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:59 pm  

After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP" This is to try and get the Risk Report published. The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public. What utter bollox. Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report

After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP" This is to try and get the Risk Report published. The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public. What utter bollox. Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:52 pm  

El Barbudo wrote: After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP" This is to try and get the Risk Report published. The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public. What utter bollox. Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report Not much point in writing to mine, he's already made his feelings known in a letter to Simon Faull: Mr Simon Faull Our Ref: CN/NHSDate: 16 February 2012 Dear Mr Faull, Thank you for your email of 14th February. I’m afraid there is a great deal of confusion about what the “NHS risk register” is, some of it unfortunately engendered deliberately by lobbying organisations. Risk registers are standardly produced internal management documents within government departments, and are not released, partly because they may contain commercially sensitive information, and partly because they enable civil servants to discuss with ministers worst-case examples and necessary steps to mitigate them. In this respect, the one produced by the Department of Health is no different to any other, despite attempts to portray it as something both sinister and damning. There is a very strong argument that internal discussions in the process of policy formation should not be open to scrutiny, because it would prevent frank exchanges with the civil service which are necessary if policy is to be effectively produced. This is recognised in Freedom of Information legislation. In this instance much of the information is in any case available in full in the impact assessment documents which accompanied publication of the current legislation, and in addition in a specific statement made to the House of Lords by the Health Minister. I also note the hypocritical position of a shadow Secretary of State demanding the publication of a document which he personally prevented being revealed when in government. The vote next week can therefore, I’m afraid, only be considered shallow opportunism on the part of the opposition. Yours sincerely, David Heath CBE MP Mind you, the fat 2@ isn't going to know what's hit him, then next time he comes around pimping for votes

El Barbudo wrote: After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP" This is to try and get the Risk Report published. The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public. What utter bollox. Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report Not much point in writing to mine, he's already made his feelings known in a letter to Simon Faull: Mr Simon Faull Our Ref: CN/NHSDate: 16 February 2012 Dear Mr Faull, Thank you for your email of 14th February. I’m afraid there is a great deal of confusion about what the “NHS risk register” is, some of it unfortunately engendered deliberately by lobbying organisations. Risk registers are standardly produced internal management documents within government departments, and are not released, partly because they may contain commercially sensitive information, and partly because they enable civil servants to discuss with ministers worst-case examples and necessary steps to mitigate them. In this respect, the one produced by the Department of Health is no different to any other, despite attempts to portray it as something both sinister and damning. There is a very strong argument that internal discussions in the process of policy formation should not be open to scrutiny, because it would prevent frank exchanges with the civil service which are necessary if policy is to be effectively produced. This is recognised in Freedom of Information legislation. In this instance much of the information is in any case available in full in the impact assessment documents which accompanied publication of the current legislation, and in addition in a specific statement made to the House of Lords by the Health Minister. I also note the hypocritical position of a shadow Secretary of State demanding the publication of a document which he personally prevented being revealed when in government. The vote next week can therefore, I’m afraid, only be considered shallow opportunism on the part of the opposition. Yours sincerely, David Heath CBE MP Mind you, the fat 2@ isn't going to know what's hit him, then next time he comes around pimping for votes

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:47 pm  

I can't imagine there's any "commercially senstive information" in this one surely?
After all, it's not as though they are privatising anything are they?

Oh, hang on ...

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:02 am  

And so the pressure continues If this isn't top-down bullying, I don't know what is

And so the pressure continues If this isn't top-down bullying, I don't know what is

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:38 am  

cod'ead wrote: And so the pressure continues If this isn't top-down bullying, I don't know what is "David Cameron yesterday insisted Mr Lansley "understands the health service better than almost anyone else in Parliament" " Sorry,

cod'ead wrote: And so the pressure continues If this isn't top-down bullying, I don't know what is "David Cameron yesterday insisted Mr Lansley "understands the health service better than almost anyone else in Parliament" " Sorry,

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:22 am  

Interesting lead article yesterday in City am. The Editor thought the government should drop the NHS reforms and sack Lansley as its a distraction from areas where they can make a difference. His view was that the the reform / no reform will make little difference either way to the NHS. He said the real issue won't go away and that the NHS will fall apart within 10 years as the country simply won't have the resources to fund it properly and tinkering about with these reforms will may no real difference to that prospect. Sadly, I fear he will be proved right.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:26 am  

Dally wrote:

Sadly, I fear he will be proved right.

Based on what? Agreeing with a newspaper editor, or some other facts about something that may or may not happen in the next 10 years?