Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:01 am  

the cal train wrote:

Condemning them may be seen as some as an admission of association. Don't see anyone demanding the Christians in the UK to actively condemn the Westboro Baptist Church or the Ku Klux Klan before they can be granted some respect by everyone else.

Those things have no relevance to British society. The IS thing does as British citizens are apparently acting murderously for IS and intent on attacking British citizens.

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:40 am  

Standee wrote:

so you're comparing IS and the IRA now?

..... ..

I was actually comparing situations, which is that seemingly pointless killings of innocents will ultimately drive ALL public sympathy and respect against you.

By 1998 and the Omagh bombing, the IRA had lost nearly all support they had. Even their American sympathisers had their heads shaking at their tactics. It quickly led to Adams and McGuiness running to the diplomatic table as they were morally stuck in a dead end.

IS are now in a similar position. Muslims worldwide are condemning them. Even people who might normally be able to put up some sort of defence for them are struggling to find any logic in their pointless murder of hostages.

I think most people agree, if you want to fight a war, however seemingly idiotic the motivation, then fight a war... However, these tactics of cowardly posturing, in murdering innocent people who are actually there to try and do some good, do nothing but show them up for the maniacs they really are.

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:42 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

:lol: ..... ..

I was actually comparing situations, which is that seemingly pointless killings of innocents will ultimately drive ALL public sympathy and respect against you.

By 1998 and the Omagh bombing, the IRA had lost nearly all support they had. Even their American sympathisers had their heads shaking at their tactics. It quickly led to Adams and McGuiness running to the diplomatic table as they were morally stuck in a dead end.

IS are now in a similar position. Muslims worldwide are condemning them. Even people who might normally be able to put up some sort of defence for them are struggling to find any logic in their pointless murder of hostages.

I think most people agree, if you want to fight a war, however seemingly idiotic the motivation, then fight a war... However, these tactics of cowardly posturing, in murdering innocent people who are actually there to try and do some good, do nothing but show them up for the maniacs they really are.

wow, insults.

Hope the AUP gets applied.

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:16 am  

Standee wrote:

wow, insults.

Hope the AUP gets applied.

Eh?

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:20 am  

Him wrote:

Eh?

quickest edit ever

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:01 pm  

Standee wrote:

quickest edit ever

Apart from the fact that the post you quoted hadn't been edited

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:02 pm  

Him wrote:

Eh?

Quite. No edits there either

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:03 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Apart from the fact that the post you quoted hadn't been edited

it had, but hey, it doesn't matter. Another guy lost his life in an horrific way (not that there's a "good" way for that to happen), am unsure what "we" can do, any intervention just emboldens them, and if we turn away we are weak.

what to do?

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:41 pm  

Standee wrote:

what to do?

Challenge them to a game of Dodgeball?

Re: IS and the Western response : Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:00 pm  

The brutal murders of western hostages ,while obscene are of relatively small consequence when compared to the attrocities carried out against the local populations of Syria and Iraq ,it is those that should drive the civilised worlds quest to rid us of this evil