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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:04 am  
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Even with the skewed media, the truth will always come out.
Poor old Boris couldn't get off his ass and attend the cobra meetings as he was "busy", it's no wonder the country was slow to respond, putting us a few weeks behind the rest of the world.

Of course there is massive, unprecedented demand for PPE, which is why, you need to be on top of the job -good time Charlie (Bojo) unfortunately wasn't.


If the reports are correct - you simply cannot argue with the above
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:39 am  
It's hardly surprising the Government has sleepwalked it's way into this crisis, jeez it took 'em three years to sort Brexit!

At least when it's all done & dusted, there'll be plenty of fruit & veg pickers, silver lining & all that.
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:58 am  
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It's hardly surprising the Government has sleepwalked it's way into this crisis, jeez it took 'em three years to sort Brexit!

At least when it's all done & dusted, there'll be plenty of fruit & veg pickers, silver lining & all that.


Fruit & veg pickers - I dont think so.
Despite the "pick for Britain" campaign and 100,000's of people not working, we (the UK) are still flying in Eastern Europeans to pick fruit and veg.
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:37 am  
Think Johnson has over stepped the mark as far as the 1922 committee and the ERG are concerned, much too socialist in his response to the crisis.

They think it is a scandal that so far, no-one has died from hunger, people are getting a 12 week holiday on 80% pay and old Tory voters are bearing the brunt.

Snitch in chief, the odious back stabber Gove, has done what he does best and grassed lazy booty bojo up whilst cozying up to the real powers behind the throne.

A proper set of hypocritical low down dogs these torys.
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:39 am  
Gove is starting on his next leadership bid.
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:29 pm  
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Gove is starting on his next leadership bid.


I thought that too.

He's certainly made sure that his boss will be right in the firing line when he next faces the cameras and the press.
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:39 pm  
I can't wait for this years all clear announcement I wonder if it will beat this:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/maga ... risis-over
I can't wait for this years all clear announcement I wonder if it will beat this:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/maga ... risis-over
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:14 pm  
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Fruit & veg pickers - I dont think so.
Despite the "pick for Britain" campaign and 100,000's of people not working, we (the UK) are still flying in Eastern Europeans to pick fruit and veg.


Aye, but I was thinking about the long game, by this time next year those Eastern Europeans wont be able to get a visa & there'll be a glut of new job-seekers, fresh from seeing their previous employment go down the pan.
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:22 pm  
and those Eastern Europeans won't be able to apply for the care home jobs that will be left vacant in the not so distant future, who would want to work in a care home after the treatment that they have received lately? Who is going to fill these labour intensive jobs.....which countries will they come from? The right wingers know what will happen next, surely this is all part of the master plan?
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Re: PM in Intensive Care... : Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:12 am  
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I thought that too.

He's certainly made sure that his boss will be right in the firing line when he next faces the cameras and the press.


I also thought that too.

For the Sunday Times to launch a full-blown attack on the government and PM in particular, something is odd.

My guess is that there's an agenda here where the Sunday Times editorial team are trying to help out Conservative allies who are not Boris. They can see Starmer has got his hands full with internal affairs and so Labour aren't really a threat so they can attack the government without it being a serious boost to Labour, but they can start the drip, drip of undermining the leader. They usually do this with a Labour leader - they pick an attack line that they think the public will believe(like "hates Britain/unpatriotic") and then launch story after story to build up that idea to secure it in the public's minds. Even though Boris is probably enjoying a period of public popularity and sympathy after his own illness, most people will find it easy to believe him being lazy/disorganised/careless when it came to taking his eye off the ball in a crisis, and those aren't qualities that people will want in a crisis.

Boris has made a lot of enemies on his rise to the top, mostly on his own side (the left just thinks he's a buffoon generally, they haven't been personally slighted by his political machinations). Some of those who bent the knee and sucked up to get their Cabinet positions will privately resent him.

Also the Conservative party does "coups" well. There's always more skulduggery behind the scenes, and people smiling and professing loyalty to a leader in public while organising allies and sharpening the knives behind the scenes, in the Tory party, than in Labour. In Labour it tends to break out in to more open factional fighting, and its generally a power struggle between wings of the party, rather than around personalities like the Tories.

I suspect that some of Boris's superficially friendly Cabinet colleagues are leaking a lot of damning information about their leader to the Tory press, in which case, Boris and Cummings war against the BBC may have been focused on the wrong target.
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