Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:08 pm  

King Street Cat wrote: I'm particularly in awe of those who are offended by the people doorstepping him. This was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care. https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/watch-labour-mp-confronts-dominic-cummings-in-parliament-over-boris-johnsons-disgraceful-language They tip toe around the edges of decency and threats, never actually delivering either, but just leaving enough vagueness to then be able to step back and say that's not "actually" what we said. All along knowing they were stoking up the public (both sides) into a frenzy and creating division. They spend most of their time staying "On message" and discrediting anyone who they are threatened by with smoke and mirrors. Fair play to them, they're very good at it. But if they think "The remaoners" "The Lefties", "The mainstream media" who theyve spent 3/4 years discrediting are going to take their BS and standby after the lies and tricks theyve used they're in cuckoo land. Ita a dead straight forward issue. Everyone knows what he did was wrong, theres 71% who say he was wrong , and theres a large % of the other 29% who know hes wrong and wont admit it. Theyve spent the last 3 years or so defending these 2 and the rest for pretty much one reason to "Get Brexit done" that they're quite prepared to basically just ride it out on any topic in favour of the government with fingers on ears when they dint want to hear something or just staying on message to brain wash. Said it before, do I think hes made the worst mistake in the world, No. Would I have given him benefit of the doubt if hed been open and with what had happened and said you know what in reflection I could have done things better, Maybe. But the BS over the last 2 days, the blame anyone else and whataboutism another distraction techniques and the revisionist history they're trying to rewrite, Nah, they're digging a deeper hole and as far as I'm concerned its exposing them for what they are.

King Street Cat wrote: I'm particularly in awe of those who are offended by the people doorstepping him. This was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care. https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/watch-labour-mp-confronts-dominic-cummings-in-parliament-over-boris-johnsons-disgraceful-language They tip toe around the edges of decency and threats, never actually delivering either, but just leaving enough vagueness to then be able to step back and say that's not "actually" what we said. All along knowing they were stoking up the public (both sides) into a frenzy and creating division. They spend most of their time staying "On message" and discrediting anyone who they are threatened by with smoke and mirrors. Fair play to them, they're very good at it. But if they think "The remaoners" "The Lefties", "The mainstream media" who theyve spent 3/4 years discrediting are going to take their BS and standby after the lies and tricks theyve used they're in cuckoo land. Ita a dead straight forward issue. Everyone knows what he did was wrong, theres 71% who say he was wrong , and theres a large % of the other 29% who know hes wrong and wont admit it. Theyve spent the last 3 years or so defending these 2 and the rest for pretty much one reason to "Get Brexit done" that they're quite prepared to basically just ride it out on any topic in favour of the government with fingers on ears when they dint want to hear something or just staying on message to brain wash. Said it before, do I think hes made the worst mistake in the world, No. Would I have given him benefit of the doubt if hed been open and with what had happened and said you know what in reflection I could have done things better, Maybe. But the BS over the last 2 days, the blame anyone else and whataboutism another distraction techniques and the revisionist history they're trying to rewrite, Nah, they're digging a deeper hole and as far as I'm concerned its exposing them for what they are.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:15 pm  

As I've already posted, Cronus. I'm no fan of doorstepping and confrontational behaviour, but this was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric was the plan. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:16 pm  

King Street Cat wrote: I'm particularly in awe of those who are offended by the people doorstepping him. This was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care. https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/watch-labour-mp-confronts-dominic-cummings-in-parliament-over-boris-johnsons-disgraceful-language You really are comparing and contrasting a verbal exchange between 2 adults,together,in a building,with - scores of people breaching social distancing,attempting to shove microphones and cameras under the nose of a person trying to reach his car,outside of a private house containing a wife and 4 yrs old child - with many of the throng screaming at him. The sooner Russia bomb us the better. This country has gone.

King Street Cat wrote: I'm particularly in awe of those who are offended by the people doorstepping him. This was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care. https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/watch-labour-mp-confronts-dominic-cummings-in-parliament-over-boris-johnsons-disgraceful-language You really are comparing and contrasting a verbal exchange between 2 adults,together,in a building,with - scores of people breaching social distancing,attempting to shove microphones and cameras under the nose of a person trying to reach his car,outside of a private house containing a wife and 4 yrs old child - with many of the throng screaming at him. The sooner Russia bomb us the better. This country has gone.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:26 pm  

Ornery Optimist wrote:

You really are comparing and contrasting a verbal exchange between 2 adults,together,in a building,with - scores of people breaching social distancing,attempting to shove microphones and cameras under the nose of a person trying to reach his car,outside of a private house containing a wife and 4 yrs old child - with many of the throng screaming at him.

The sooner Russia bomb us the better. This country has gone.

No. I'm simply using that as an example of someone calling Cummings out about his divisive campaign.

Do a quick Google search for articles about 'death threats to MPs in 2019'. Fill your boots.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:43 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

As I've already posted, Cronus. I'm no fan of doorstepping and confrontational behaviour, but this was the kind of behaviour Cummings and Johnson were stirring up during their 'Get Brexit Done' campaign, which was leading to threats against MPs of all stripes. Divisive language and confrontational rhetotric was the plan. Dom is merely reaping what he's sown. He can now sleep in the bed he shat in for all I care.

And the rest were little angels, were they? As an example you could do with looking at some of the stuff Jess Phillips has come out with, for example - you know, the Jess Phillips who tried to preach about divisive language in Parliament and got slapped down. They're all at it. The young left in particular on our TV screens are vile - Owen Jones and a couple of females who pop up on TV from time to time (I forget their names, one is Asian). Nothing but hatred spews from their mouths.

I get it, they're angry. They just keep losing and simply cannot grasp why everyone doesn't agree with them. Nor can they accept it. If someone disagrees they must be silenced - hence the rise of 'no-platforming'. Reasoned debate is an alien concept.

As a Leaver and Tory voter (at present, I haven't always been) I've had no end of abuse on here and to my face. Racist, xenophobe, nazi, etc, etc yaawwwn. Leavers have had every insult under the sun since 2016, and Tory voters have had it and more. Why do you think the 'quiet Tory' is even a thing?

I'm a big boy, I can handle it and more than give it back. Words really don't bother me. But for the left to complain about divisive language is laughable.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 8:50 pm  

Cronus wrote:

You on the left forget this government has massive support.

It does seem to be burning through it rather quickly though.

The problem they’ve got is that a lot of that support has been built on simple, powerful messaging. When you’re reduced to the equivalent of referring to the section 26c, paragraph 3 to justify your actions that is for a different audience. That is fine for people like me, who like nuance and precision, and who will annoy their spouses with terms like ‘internally consistent’. But we’re already pee’d off about bigredbuscrapmathsgate. Which didn’t even matter, it’d have have worked just as well with an honest number for the intended audience. Similarly, why not just write a new blog?

A thing about winning an election and becoming a government, is that you’re not on the outside flinging turds anymore, you’re on the inside being splattered with them. Attacking a position is much easier than defending one. Mercurial might work in opposition but government would be a grind even without a pandemic. For their own sakes they need the gloves to be kept on as much as possible. They have to make a choice on the EU negotiations that, whatever it is, will be unpopular with large sections of the country in about 5 weeks. All this means that’ll be worse for them.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:01 pm  

Fanboy Flashman saying Cummings should have just admitted his jolly out to Barnard Castle is sweet in its naivety, even if he's the only one thick enough on here to not understand the consequence that admission would have brought.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:02 pm  

Approval rating for Johnson down 20pts in four days. The Government down 16pts in 24 hours.

YouGov poll today had 59% wanting him to resign. 52% of Leavers want him to resign.

He can stay as long as he wants for me. He’s ripping the reputation of the Conservative Party to shreds. Which is funny, because he isn’t even a member.

One of his friends quoted in the FT today

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:12 pm  

No apologies for stealing the below:

The media’s Dominic Cummings story has completely collapsed. He did NOT go to Durham a second time, which was reported on the front page of the Sunday Mirror and the Observer. He did NOT have any physical contact with family members. The police did NOT talk to the Cummings family about the Covid lockdown guidelines. Cummings did NOT carry on doing things that everyone else had stopped doing — he even missed the funeral of his uncle who died from Covid. He did NOT leave his London home for leisure reasons — he left it because he was receiving death threats as a result of media demonisation. He was very ill, his wife was ill, and at one point his child was taken to hospital in an ambulance in Durham.

His family has had a rough time and the media have told lie after lie about him. The scandal is not Cummings’ behaviour - it is the collapse of ethics and objectivity in the British media.

Newspapers have run frontpage stories about Dominic Cummings that are not true. A mob turned up outside his home to shout about people who have died from Covid-19. Left-wing activists parked a truck outside his front door and blasted out grim news reports about death with no regard for the young child inside the house. He’s been reported to the police numerous times by members of the Twittermob. I’m sorry, but if you still think the most shocking thing is that a family drove from London to Durham, you are not paying attention.


...but you lot crack on, Dominic Cummings is clearly the most evil person in the UK today for doing a bit of driving, and the media are just 'doing their job' in an entirely reasonable manner. Stay outraged.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:16 pm  

Strinket wrote:

Approval rating for Johnson down 20pts in four days. The Government down 16pts in 24 hours.

YouGov poll today, had 59% wanting him to resign. 52% of Leavers want him to resign.

He can stay as long as he wants for me. He’s ripping the reputation of the Conservative Party to shreds. Which is funny, because he isn’t even a member.

One of his friends quoted in the FT today

Normally that’d look like a betrayal by a so-called friend. However, I suspect DC says it to their faces.

We’ll all project our own narratives onto it, but when Hancock wearily answers Peston in that clip and looks down the camera I imagine him looking sad and angry, not at the inane question but at having to spend his breath defending a man he knows despises him and who will happily hang him out to dry if it is convenient when the inquiry comes around. I’m really struggling to pick a side here!