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Re: Education, education, education and war : Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:39 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Absolutely agree with the above - we were always heading for no deal - there is no other logical outcome - including some restrictions in Eire otherwise its Hotel California.

While I agree there is no other logical outcome, I'd go one step further - there is no logical outcome.

Every course of action creates an insoluble problem that a majority of the UK population doesn't want to deal with.

I mean tautologous circular statements like 'Brexit means Brexit' and a Minister announcing that the government intends to act illegally but in a 'specific and limited way' has to indicate that we're an absurdist computer-simulated exhibition being run in base reality... or what they think is base reality.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:02 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Absolutely agree with the above - we were always heading for no deal - there is no other logical outcome - including some restrictions in Eire otherwise its Hotel California.

Just what will "no deal" do to the border between north and south in Ireland.
Would we still need a seperate border in the North Sea as we have in the current proposal or, are we back to bombs and bullets AND trashing the Good Friday Agreement

Just where are all the clever "leavers" who promised an easy exit, including Boris "oven ready" Johnson, who's current cabinet ministers are saying that they were "rushed" into a deal ?
Just who was rushing them ?

Re: Education, education, education and war : Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:17 pm  

They rushed it through to avoid scutiny, now they moan there wasn't time to scrutinise it properly due to the speed at which it was rushed through.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:03 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

They rushed it through to avoid scutiny, now they moan there wasn't time to scrutinise it properly due to the speed at which it was rushed through.

No to mention the "get Brexit done" and "oven ready deal" nonsense.
4 years, 3 Tory PM's and still the same crock of poop, with the very same unsolved problems.

How the hell didn't Labour beat this lot Mr Corbyn ??

Re: Education, education, education and war : Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:14 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Absolutely agree with the above - we were always heading for no deal - there is no other logical outcome - including some restrictions in Eire otherwise its Hotel California.

The problem is you're thinking there is a world free of interference where we can do what we want with no foreign judges under WTO rules

Re: Education, education, education and war : Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:53 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

The problem is you're thinking there is a world free of interference where we can do what we want with no foreign judges under WTO rules

Unlike you I think there is a world beyond the EU - there are far more countries successfully trading with each other on these terms than the 27 in the EU trading block and it includes the 3 biggest plus another 3 in the ten biggest economies in the world.

You must stay awake at night with all your fingers crossed that we will go crawling back to the EU - you are a very sad individual indeed

Re: Education, education, education and war : Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:16 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Unlike you I think there is a world beyond the EU - there are far more countries successfully trading with each other on these terms than the 27 in the EU trading block and it includes the 3 biggest plus another 3 in the ten biggest economies in the world.

You must stay awake at night with all your fingers crossed that we will go crawling back to the EU - you are a very sad individual indeed

I know what the consequences for import and export businesses are from the flag waving desires of little Englanders who have pretended all these years that they want freedom for trade as they like but are now happy to go onto WTO terms, who pretended they wanted the right to set our own laws but now will just be stuck with ones we have no say in.

They wave the flag and constantly project superior patriotism yet they couldn't care less about the damage they have done on to our country, our economy or our people. The fakeness of the arguments and the depth of lying utterly revolt me.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:13 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I know what the consequences for import and export businesses are from the flag waving desires of little Englanders who have pretended all these years that they want freedom for trade as they like but are now happy to go onto WTO terms, who pretended they wanted the right to set our own laws but now will just be stuck with ones we have no say in.

They wave the flag and constantly project superior patriotism yet they couldn't care less about the damage they have done on to our country, our economy or our people. The fakeness of the arguments and the depth of lying utterly revolt me.

No you don't because it hasn't happened yet - unless you are Nostradamus You want to see the downside - realistically how long do you think there will be queues at Dover - a few days at most and a solution will be found. Product flows into this country from outside of the EU with minimal delays - do you genuinely think the whole economy will stop functioning January 1 - really? You think food retailers haven't already found a solution - these guys have some of finest supply chain minds around - you have so little faith - it is must be so depressing to be you.

There was lying on all sides and that includes the EU - you know that as well as everyone else - I trust you are revolted by it all not just the Brexit side - I wont hold my breath!!

Re: Education, education, education and war : Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:43 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No you don't because it hasn't happened yet - unless you are Nostradamus You want to see the downside - realistically how long do you think there will be queues at Dover - a few days at most and a solution will be found. Product flows into this country from outside of the EU with minimal delays - do you genuinely think the whole economy will stop functioning January 1 - really? You think food retailers haven't already found a solution - these guys have some of finest supply chain minds around - you have so little faith - it is must be so depressing to be you.

There was lying on all sides and that includes the EU - you know that as well as everyone else - I trust you are revolted by it all not just the Brexit side - I wont hold my breath!!

How comfortable are you with a government that signs an agreement and then wishes to change it through the back door (breaking the law in the process) and on the back of this, who the hell would want to strike and agreement with a bunch of untrustworthy charlatans.
You are right that the world will keep turning and trade will still carry on but, at what cost ?
As for supply chains, if they dont get the tech in place and bloody quick, there WILL be queue's at Dover.
Granted these problems wont last infinitum and ways will be found to solve the blockages but, it all looks a little bit grubby now.
Boris is indeed a poor mans Trump.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:26 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

How comfortable are you with a government that signs an agreement and then wishes to change it through the back door (breaking the law in the process) and on the back of this, who the hell would want to strike and agreement with a bunch of untrustworthy charlatans.
You are right that the world will keep turning and trade will still carry on but, at what cost ?
As for supply chains, if they dont get the tech in place and bloody quick, there WILL be queue's at Dover.
Granted these problems wont last infinitum and ways will be found to solve the blockages but, it all looks a little bit grubby now.
Boris is indeed a poor mans Trump.

These agreements get broken all the time - the EU simply refused to implement some WTO rules/obligations in respect of Airbus, Cameron didn't give prisoners the vote despite it being an obligation from membership of the EU. The Iraq war - how Blair can talk about breaking treaties defies belief. These treaties aren't like laws in the way we implement them - who is going to sue us? Nobody worse than China - has that impacted their ability to trade?

If you genuinely believe the EU has negotiated in good faith that great but why would they threaten to ban food imports for the UK into NI if that were the case. That situation was never expected when the deal was signed as there was an understanding of good faith to achieve a deal. You like many of the remainers think the fault all lays with Boris and that opinion is fair enough - I think 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. The EU is demanding things of the UK that is doesn't from other non-EU states around food standard - why?

As for Trump - it will be interesting to see if he can win again - if he does then a deal will be done regardless of what plastic Nancy says.