Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:15 am  

i will be voting out

the bookies favour us stayin in though by quite a margin , though it is getting closer

seems the ones who do their research will vote out

while the ones who havent taken notice much and will just read the cameron scaremongering headlines will come out and vote to stay in at the last minute as they fear change and dont really understand it all

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:56 am  

brearley84 wrote:

i will be voting out

the bookies favour us stayin in though by quite a margin , though it is getting closer

seems the ones who do their research will vote out

while the ones who havent taken notice much and will just read the cameron scaremongering headlines will come out and vote to stay in at the last minute as they fear change and dont really understand it all

What research have you done?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:40 pm  

It seems the ' In ' campaign now have just the one answer to every question

Economy

No matter what the question , be it immigration,NHS,sovereignty,law making,EU bureaucracy,future deaper involvement just the same answer , Economy

[Durham Giant]

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:16 pm  

I spent a lot of time reading about the pros and cons thinking about it.

Issues regard the economy are huge and from what I can perceive there is no long term detriment To the British economy as the pros and cons will work out eventually.m anyOne who says anything else is guessing as no one can really say what the effects can be as there are far too many variables.


WHat is also clear is that there will be a lot of instability which will last a minimum of two years and could be as much as 10 before it settles down.

There will be a huge impact on the pound I could see the pound dropping 25%nagainst the euro in the interim.
(I have already got my euros for my holiday in the summer).


The big worry I have got is after watching question time this week, seeing interviews with the brexiteers and looking at some of te headlines it appears to me that the brexiteers campaign is just full of petty little englanders.
The thinly veiled racism is only a small scratch below the surface.

I was at school fayrebtoday with Filipinos poles Ukrainians Irish Thai Africans , goals etc.
That brought home to me very clearly the argument that stop the foreigners coming in will soon be, send the immigrants home.
I don't want to back to the bad old days of the 1970s with the NF and BNP

So I have changed my mind.

I will be voting to stay in . Internationalism rather than petty racist ignorant nationalism.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:18 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

It seems the ' In ' campaign now have just the one answer to every question

Economy

No matter what the question , be it immigration,NHS,sovereignty,law making,EU bureaucracy,future deaper involvement just the same answer , Economy

That is because all politics comes down to the economy.


To misquote Clinton and Carville.IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID

[Durham Giant]

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:19 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

It seems the ' In ' campaign now have just the one answer to every question

Economy

No matter what the question , be it immigration,NHS,sovereignty,law making,EU bureaucracy,future deaper involvement just the same answer , Economy

Yet the argument that I only here from the brexiteers campaign is based on. Racism and stop foreigners coming here.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:39 pm  

Him wrote:

What research have you done?

enough to know to vote out.

do yours enough and you would agree, long term we will be better off and thats what its about

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:43 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

It seems the ' In ' campaign now have just the one answer to every question

Economy

No matter what the question , be it immigration,NHS,sovereignty,law making,EU bureaucracy,future deaper involvement just the same answer , Economy

yes, cameron with the same old lines , it won him the election as labour made a hash of it previously and he is hoping it will win him the referendum.

and then on immigration he said he will get it down to tens of thousands, last count was 300k... great, carry on at that rate and we will have to build a house every 4 seconds to keep up! but the rich londoners wont care as we wont be building on their nice green fields

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:24 am  

This thread is EMBARRASSING. Aside from the fact that most of you seem to equate thinking with reproducing the words of [insert newspaper columnist here] verbatim - we actually have several people claiming - quite seriously - that this debate is fundamentally about who is and who is not a "xenophobic racist".

The more I read of this kind of stuff the more I sympathize with the ruling class. At least they have some kind of purpose.

What was it that George Orwell said, “So long as the Proles continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult?”

Trouble is Orwell was living in a time when his Proles actually showed some gumption. Left to trawl the fetid detritus in threads like these (which, alas, are all too common today) I'm sure Orwell would have opened up a vein in utter dismay.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:51 am  

Then you know nothing at all about Orwell. He was a strident campaigner and activist, not someone who would have curled up and dies in despair at other's views. If he were alive today he'd be front and centre for one side or the other.