Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:40 am  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

The EU have shown themselves to be the greedy bullies

Really? We voted to leave on a tide of anti-European vitriol & abuse. We now want to keep the best bits & are surprised & offended when the EU stand by their principles. So we spew out more anti-European & personal vitriol & abuse.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:41 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Unfortunately (or fortunately), there are only a few thousand people affected by the Universal Credit roll out, therefore, there are unlikely to be mass protests but, that doesn't make it right.

The poll tax affected pretty much everyone (although a few were in fact better off) can you spot the difference.

My assumption was that you were not necessarily directly affected but outraged. If that's the case you could do something about it rather than simply tapping on a keyboard to pretend you care.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:45 am  

Dally wrote:

My assumption was that you were not necessarily directly affected but outraged. If that's the case you could do something about it rather than simply tapping on a keyboard to pretend you care.

Oh, I get it, this is no longer a forum for expressing views on certain subjects, it no a platform to provoke a march against government policy ??

If there is a march/protest against Universal Credit, you may well see me there.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:53 am  

snowie wrote:

I voted to leave simply because I want our country to be self governing and where the leader is accountable rather than employed and can not be removed,

This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our health system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our social services.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our education system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our public transport system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our public utilities.
This Government, not the EU, are destroying our police & armed forces.

FYI we do not elect our own PM.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:02 pm  

FYI we do not elect our own PM.

Compared to how much say we get in selecting our all-powerful and non-removable EU Presidents, we practically hand-pick our PMs and drop them off at No.10 with a packed lunch.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:46 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Compared to how much say we get in selecting our all-powerful and non-removable EU Presidents, we practically hand-pick our PMs and drop them off at No.10 with a packed lunch.

How are they non-removable?

MEP’s and governments of the 28 put them in place. Quite democratic.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:18 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

How are they non-removable?

MEP’s and governments of the 28 put them in place. Quite democratic.

Read about Martin selmayr, also the appointment of the drunkard , in spite of protests from several countries. Including David Cameron. Note that the EU have threatened Italy with a heavy fine ,because they don’t approve of the Italian governments budget. Democratic, definitely not.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:21 pm  

tigertot wrote:

This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our health system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our social services.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our education system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our public transport system.
This Government, not the EU, has destroyed our public utilities.
This Government, not the EU, are destroying our police & armed forces.

FYI we do not elect our own PM.

Reading the guardian again ?. Definitely not good for your health.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:47 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

Read about Martin selmayr, also the appointment of the drunkard , in spite of protests from several countries. Including David Cameron. Note that the EU have threatened Italy with a heavy fine ,because they don’t approve of the Italian governments budget. Democratic, definitely not.

A civil servant.
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Those are the rules they signed up to and we've learned that the EU are excellent negotiators.

All sounds democratic to me.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:56 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

Read about Martin selmayr, also the appointment of the drunkard , in spite of protests from several countries. Including David Cameron. Note that the EU have threatened Italy with a heavy fine ,because they don’t approve of the Italian governments budget. Democratic, definitely not.

You say that threatening Italy is undemocratic.
However, they were not forced to be part of the EU and are more than happy to take the benefits.

Surely, on thet basis, they have to adhere to the rules.
You cant have a "common" currency and allow individual nations to go solo on their fisical policy.

There is some "wiggle" room but, their has to be some control.

Just imagine if the UK had signed up for the Euro ??