Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:23 pm  

tb wrote: Oh, and another interesting link http://falseeconomy.org.uk/blog/circle- ... a-hospital Come on. The CEO is a banker, he's expecting the company run up big debts, pay himself a fortune and then get the state to bail him out and pay his full pension.

tb wrote: Oh, and another interesting link http://falseeconomy.org.uk/blog/circle- ... a-hospital Come on. The CEO is a banker, he's expecting the company run up big debts, pay himself a fortune and then get the state to bail him out and pay his full pension.

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Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:41 pm  

Ooh … and another http://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2011/11 ... -business/

Ooh … and another http://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2011/11 ... -business/

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:07 pm  

What's the betting that this private company gets more money to run the same service? Then they can point to the stats and say oooh look how wonderful the private sector is. You know, like they're doing with the new private schools. I believe they're called free schools or some such other bullsheet.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:41 pm  

Him wrote:

What's the betting that this private company gets more money to run the same service? Then they can point to the stats and say oooh look how wonderful the private sector is. You know, like they're doing with the new private schools. I believe they're called free schools or some such other bullsheet.

They are "free" - free to continue pissing up the back of the UK taxpayer

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:55 pm  

tb wrote: Ooh … and another http://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2011/11 ... -business/ That just about sums them up. I hate this bunch of overprivileged wastrels with a vengeance, possibly even more than I hate Thatcher. At least with that hard-faced old bitch, you knew what you were getting. This lot seem to think that so long as they mix a bit of honey with the KY Jelly, you'll never notice they've raped you. The sad thing is, too many people still haven't realised that yet

tb wrote: Ooh … and another http://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2011/11 ... -business/ That just about sums them up. I hate this bunch of overprivileged wastrels with a vengeance, possibly even more than I hate Thatcher. At least with that hard-faced old bitch, you knew what you were getting. This lot seem to think that so long as they mix a bit of honey with the KY Jelly, you'll never notice they've raped you. The sad thing is, too many people still haven't realised that yet

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:45 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

I'm opposed to any two-tier scheme.
My moral and political stance is that ALL are entitled to the same level of care.
Being richer should not mean being able to purchase better healthcare.
By all means allow richer people to buy extra comforts like a private room or whatever but not better healthcare.
Even at the moment, the same specialists spend more time per private patient than they do per NHS patient ... and that, to my mind, is morally wrong.
If healthcare can be improved, then improve it for all.

Without clear numbers, I can't accept that the NHS is any less cost-effective than the same healthcare provision plus insurance bureaucracy plus private insurance company profit ... add to that the restrictions that insurance companies will ( and do already) place on who they will insure and how many times they can be treated in a year and the way they avoid chronic conditions and avoid existing conditions ... etc etc.

The NHS is brilliant precisely because it is run for the public good and not run by an insurance company.

Specialists contracted to the NHS work their contracted hours within the NHS - the majority work well in excess of their contracted hours for no extra money. For their skill level these people are significantly underpaid. Private work is done in their spare time at no detrement to the NHS in fact it helps to reduce waiting lists. It also allows these highly skilled people to earn something close to their worth and prevents them working in other countries where the rewards would be significantly greater. Why is this morally wrong? what would be morally wrong is for someone to dictate what an individual can do in his or hers leisure time. They are not consuming NHS resource to do this work what is the issue?

What you are also saying is you want to tell people how they can spend their money - it is OK to buy a BMW or a Ferrari but it is not OK to have a hernia fixed when you want - that is morally indefensible. Life is not fair we all don't have the same intellect, physique, money, upbringing - something those with lefty leanings need to consider when trying to apply one size fits all.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:56 am  

cod'ead wrote: I'm also more than a little concerned about some Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs) apparently rationing the numbers of referrals a GP can make to hospitals. Some GP practises are being asked to "justify" their referrals. LINK sounds reasonable to me.

cod'ead wrote: I'm also more than a little concerned about some Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs) apparently rationing the numbers of referrals a GP can make to hospitals. Some GP practises are being asked to "justify" their referrals. LINK sounds reasonable to me.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:04 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Specialists contracted to the NHS work their contracted hours within the NHS - the majority work well in excess of their contracted hours for no extra money. For their skill level these people are significantly underpaid. Private work is done in their spare time at no detrement to the NHS in fact it helps to reduce waiting lists. It also allows these highly skilled people to earn something close to their worth and prevents them working in other countries where the rewards would be significantly greater. Why is this morally wrong? what would be morally wrong is for someone to dictate what an individual can do in his or hers leisure time. They are not consuming NHS resource to do this work what is the issue?

I happen to know one of these "specialists", he is employed within the NHS as a consultant (the medical use of the name not the bullshit business use) and his main contract of employment is within the NHS. He does some private work for the likes of BUPA in their local hospital but he doesn't see it as "spare time" work, his work is far too critical to just regard as "doing a guvvy job", and he earns significant sums of money within the NHS even before his private work, I know what he earns because he is friend of 40-odd years history with me and we call it like it is to each other, believe me, his worth to the NHS is well rewarded.

Interestingly he trained at the LGI in the 1970s, worked within the NHS for a while and then took a consultants role in private medicine in London in the late 80s when it looked as thought he NHS was dead in the water and private medicine was where it was at, his wage there was eye-watering but ultimately he admits that he spent the effing lot on a lifestyle that matched the stipend and it genuinely was his conscience that sent him back to the NHS in Lancashire, so much so that when the three other consultants at his grade in his Health Trust offered him a share of the private work he turned it down.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:09 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Specialists contracted to the NHS work their contracted hours within the NHS - the majority work well in excess of their contracted hours for no extra money. For their skill level these people are significantly underpaid. Private work is done in their spare time at no detrement to the NHS in fact it helps to reduce waiting lists. It also allows these highly skilled people to earn something close to their worth and prevents them working in other countries where the rewards would be significantly greater. Why is this morally wrong? what would be morally wrong is for someone to dictate what an individual can do in his or hers leisure time. They are not consuming NHS resource to do this work what is the issue?

What you are also saying is you want to tell people how they can spend their money - it is OK to buy a BMW or a Ferrari but it is not OK to have a hernia fixed when you want - that is morally indefensible. Life is not fair we all don't have the same intellect, physique, money, upbringing - something those with lefty leanings need to consider when trying to apply one size fits all.

But that's not the 'real world'.

Hurrumph.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:34 am  

cod'ead wrote:

This lot seem to think that so long as they mix a bit of honey with the KY Jelly, you'll never notice they've raped you.

Does that work?