Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:17 am  

WIZEB wrote:

If a said the only people worthy of the death penalty were them useless fookers who missed at Brighton, would that answer your question?

If it needed answering

[John_D]

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:18 am  

Dally wrote:

When you hear what has happened in Manchester today, do feel the death penalty should be applied in such extreme cases?

For me absolutely yes.

No. Nothing I have ever seen, heard or read about will convince me that state-sponsored murder is justified in any way.

Nor does this case support the routine arming of police officers, just to head that one off before we get there.

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:19 am  

rover49 wrote:

Unfortunately, the scum that did this don't care what century it is.

I agree. It doesn't mean the state should kill people when it has another option. If this guy was killed by police during a shootout believe me I wouldn't shed a tear and would probably feel a little better that scum like him is out of this world. But when someone is in the custody of the state and we have another option, then the state shouldn't kill people.

For morale reasons and also in case the state gets the wrong person.

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:22 am  

rover49 wrote:

:lol: If it needed answering

Let's throw a few hand grenades into this forum on a sunny Thursday morning...It needs livening up around here ffs.

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:41 am  

WIZEB wrote:

Let's throw a few hand grenades into this forum on a sunny Thursday morning...It needs livening up around here ffs.

Thanks for the warning.

I'll take tomorrow off.

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:52 am  

Dally wrote:

When you hear what has happened in Manchester today, do feel the death penalty should be applied in such extreme cases?

For me absolutely yes.

For me absolutely no, for the reasons that others have put quite eloquently on here.

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:16 am  

So, does the panel think that cop killer Harry Roberts, still in chokey since 1966, has had a better or worse punishment than being snuffed out? He was sentenced to life a fe w months after the suspension of the death penalty. His "minimum term" of 30 years was actually up in 1996, but repeated attempts at parole since then have fallen on stony ground.

In jail since Bobby Moore lifted the World Cup, think about that. Hard to say without being actually in his predicament; and presumably he always has had the option of topping himself as his own alternative; but I think being a prisoner for 46 years and counting is, from my perspective, a fate much worse than death.

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:41 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

A good comment made on TV this morning was to compare the UK to the USA, even taking into account the huge population numerical difference you still can't get around the fact that in a country where the police are armed as a matter of course, and several states have the death penalty, you still see on average 160 police murders each year.

So of course, it fixes everything.

Especially when compared to the eight British police officers murdered on-duty since 1990

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:36 am  

The death penalty proves nothing. It does not act as a deterrent as can clearly be seen by the murder rates in the good ol US of A.
Indeed in Victorian Britain when we did hang for trivial offenses it hardly acted as a deterrent. For example we used to hang for pick pocketing. Crowds would gather to see the condemned be hung. Whilst the crowds watched on as the pick pockets were hung, the new generation of pick pockets would be hard at work in the crowd. Futile business and as has been said a state that resorts to murder in this way is not civilised.
What happened yesterday was awful and amounted to simple slaughter of two innocent women regardless of the profession they chose. We must never resort to capital punishment again. I solves and prevents nothing.

Re: Death penalty? : Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:47 am  

We can't have the death penalty here ( thank goodness ) because we are in the EU and all countries ( unless I am wrong ) in the EU don't have it.