Re: More political sewage : Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:40 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Have we found out who the top Tory might be who was sodomising young kids bottoms in the early 80's.
Am I allowed to hazard a guess?

The name is in the public domain and can be found in 30 seconds using Google.

Re: More political sewage : Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:43 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The Tories get plenty of stick on here when they get caught with their pants down - just asking for a bit of consistency.

There is nothing here to suggest that anyone of any (perceived) political persuasion is excusing what MacShane apparently did.

Re: More political sewage : Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:44 pm  

Lets be careful before speculating with names on this site please.

Imagine the law suit coming rlfans way if someone made allegations that a top paedophile was a Tory.

Re: More political sewage : Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:51 pm  

What I find odd is that the BBC did not name the "top Tory" on Newsnight, unless they were advised it could prejudice a criminal enquiry. It is tantamount to saying they don't believe the victim(s). OK - I do take the argument that maybe they judged there was insuffient evidence to stand up in courst but why not take a chance? Based on Savile, I reckon other victims would come forward when the person was publicly named. Furthermore, the person could sue - but would he have the funds? Would he wish for all the stuff to be aired in court?

Re: More political sewage : Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:12 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Lets be careful before speculating with names on this site please.

Imagine the law suit coming rlfans way if someone made allegations that a top paedophile was a Tory.

Re: More political sewage : Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:50 pm  

Dally wrote:

What I find odd is that the BBC did not name the "top Tory" on Newsnight, unless they were advised it could prejudice a criminal enquiry. It is tantamount to saying they don't believe the victim(s). OK - I do take the argument that maybe they judged there was insuffient evidence to stand up in courst but why not take a chance? Based on Savile, I reckon other victims would come forward when the person was publicly named. Furthermore, the person could sue - but would he have the funds? Would he wish for all the stuff to be aired in court?

I think you'll find it more likely that a super injunction was taken out. Not only preventing the BBC from naming any individual but also preventing them from even saying an injunction had been granted

Re: More political sewage : Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:47 pm  

To be fair the Google search gives a lot of options as to who it could be. I'm surprised that the two MPs I read rumours about in the 90s aren't mentioned. It does however look like widespread and organised ring if all the names reported wer involved.

Re: More political sewage : Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:53 pm  

Tell a lie, had to go in a few pages before I found stuff on them.

Re: More political sewage : Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:07 am  

cod'ead wrote:

I think you'll find it more likely that a super injunction was taken out. Not only preventing the BBC from naming any individual but also preventing them from even saying an injunction had been granted

I thought that anyone involved (or alleged to be involved) in the Wales abuse was protected by the inquiry, which decided against naming names?

And then threats of defamation and libel proceedings have been pinging around like mad in the last few weeks.

Re: More political sewage : Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:27 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I thought that anyone involved (or alleged to be involved) in the Wales abuse was protected by the inquiry, which decided against naming names?

Which also, according to reports this morning, prevented any of the hundreds of witnesses and victims from refering to any alleged abuse that took place away from the home in question, which if the stories being circulated are true would mean that none of the circle of abusers, including any potential well known names, would have been named at the enquiry or even been mentioned in passing, as the alleged abuse by an outside group would take place when the children were removed from their beds and taken to nearby houses and flats.

Smells even worse than the original Hillsborough enquiry with its cut-off time enforcement does this one.