Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:21 pm  

Dally wrote:

Are you happy that the gay "community" they have had large chunks of public money thrown at them because of their sexuality?

Are you happy that a few loud mouths can undermine people and insititutions by calling them "bigots" however well reasoned their views?

Any gay support group that is publically funded is funded because there is a requirement for them, if I tried to set up a support group for white middle class middle aged men with a decent income and two cars in the family, then I doubt that I'd get public funding, rightly so.

You can only have an all-inclusive society (if thats what you truly want) by including all sectors of that society and if a sector can prove that they are discriminated against then they SHOULD have public funding to campaign against it, and part of the campaigning is to draw publicity, which is exactly what the Bigot of the Year award is, a publicity stunt which worked.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:04 pm  

Dally wrote:

As I intimated in the OP there is a wider issue here...

Or not.
The issue is with the narrow-mindedness and lack of real charity that this "charity" has.

Dally wrote:

The Charity Commission is now suggesting (arguably in contravention of charity law) that Christian charities may not be entiteled the charitable status...

Not because they are christian, per se, but becuase they are restrictive.

Dally wrote:

They have had a 7 year battle with the Plymouth Bretheren.

Relevance?

Dally wrote:

There is a feeling (expressed in yesterday's Sunday Times) that the charity commission is effectively acting on behalf of the Hampstead Heath liberal set rather than the wider public.

Do give over.
Unless you can show us a representative poll, "there is a feeling" is meaningless.

Dally wrote:

This is a grave issue that goes to the very heart of our society and its tolerance...

This is the best bit.
Well, the funniest.
Defending bigotry (yes, I'm using that word again, whether you whinge about it or not) on the grounds of "tolerance" ... that really takes the biscuit.
Or wafer.

Dally wrote:

The gay minority (less than 1.5%) ...

Less than 1.5 %? Where did you get that stat from?

Dally wrote:

...and so called Mentoploitan liberals are steamrolling the mainstream and shout "bigot" whevever they are questioned.

If the cap fits, wear it.

Dally wrote:

...They are a danger to democracy, a danger the freedom of speech and ultimately a danger to freedom...

Oooh, because people want to treat people fairly, the sky is going to fall in.

Dally wrote:

... Luckily, I have faith in the silent majority...

Do you include yourself in the "silent majority" ?

Dally wrote:

... - who have shown throughout history that when pushed too far they can be an unruly lot who can stamp on unfairness.

See comments above about tolerance, same applies regarding unfairness.

Dally wrote:

...I think the Charity Commission is pushing it and suspect they will hit an Establishment backlash at some point - and rightly so.

I think you'll find that the Charity Commission is actually an establishment body.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:31 pm  

Oh, I'd missed Dally's comments about the Plymouth Brethren.

I had family who were in that particular denomination/sect.

Fundamentalists. The descendants of the Puritans.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:27 pm  

[quote="El Barbudo]
Less than 1.5 %? Where did you get that stat from?[/quote]

He's doing what all the bigots do in this situation.

When you want to make the group seem small and insignificant qoute them at their lowest, in this case I'd guess people in same sex relationships.

When scare mongering throw in anyone who's homosexual, bisexual, anyone who's kissed the same sex in a game of spin the bottle and if you're really despesprate say abnormal or not biblical and you can add pedophiles, beastiality and necrophilia.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:28 pm  

[quote="El Barbudo]
Less than 1.5 %? Where did you get that stat from?[/quote]

He's doing what all the bigots do in this situation.

When you want to make the group seem small and insignificant qoute them at their lowest, in this case I'd guess people in same sex relationships.

When scare mongering throw in anyone who's homosexual, bisexual, anyone who's kissed the same sex in a game of spin the bottle and if you're really despesprate say abnormal or not biblical and you can add pedophiles, beastiality and necrophilia.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:37 pm  

Does it really matter how big or small a minority is? It could be just 2 people. The whole point of equality is that everyone gets treated the same way regardless.

I also find it funny when opponents of equality then go ahead and use equality in their own arguments. Their bizarre point of view being that because they hold a discriminatory view they have a right to discriminate because those who don't hold a discriminatory view have a right to not discriminate.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:54 pm  

I loved Lord Grantham's comment on Downton Abbey last night, "My god, if I had a shilling for every boy who tried to kiss me at Eton I'd be a very wealthy man by now".

Couldn't help but think that the scriptwriter was having a lark at certain Government Minister's expense.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:55 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

He's doing what all the bigots do in this situation.

I got the percentage from a debate on the BBC (that well known homophobic institution!),

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:04 pm  

Him wrote:

Does it really matter how big or small a minority is? It could be just 2 people. The whole point of equality is that everyone gets treated the same way regardless.

No one is arguing against that but why vociferous minorities (of all types) be setting the agenda in our country? It is unjust.

Taking your point to it's logical conclusion, if we have two sets of people in a tribal society with mutually exclusive views / beliefs and ones that simply cannot be accomodated by the other group of people how should the tribal elders decide whose views should prevail (assuming it is impossible for both sets of views to co-exist through strength of feeling)? If it's close to a 50% : 50% split, then they'd no doubt end in civil war. If it was more like 95 : 5% they'd have to find for the 95% otherwise the 5% would need to be banished from the tribe or face slaughter, In other words, wisdom would drive the elders and the 5% to toe the line.

Re: More stupidity from a public sector body? : Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:06 pm  

Dally wrote:

No one is arguing against that but why vociferous minorities (of all types) be setting the agenda in our country? It is unjust.

If all they are wanting to do is be treated as the majority, no.