Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:50 pm  

Damo-Leeds wrote:

Employable is a very funny word.

I'd assume most would agree that volunteering in a museum requires more than working part time in a supermarket.

Lets have a look at one piece of experience you need to get a job at a supermarket: stacking shelves.

Well most people have stacked shelves in their lives when food shopping needs unpacking and putting into the cupboards, fridge and freezer. However working in a museum requires knowledge which normally comes from a university education which Cait Reilly has had.

More drivel - so to stand on the door of a museum and show people where to go or working behind the counter of their shop needs a university education?

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:52 pm  

The point here is whether you think those on JSA are spending 39 hours a week looking for work. How can we possibly know?

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:57 pm  

WIZEB wrote: Emma got a nice golden handshake mate, for making a sizable loss http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9788801/A4es-Emma-Harrison-paid-1.5m-dividend-despite-pre-tax-loss.html Well a lot of bank managers just happen to get the same golden handshakes during the big losses and it's the same deal for these workfare companies. I had the misfortune of meeting a manager who works for Ingeus and he spent many years working for the financial sector before swapping jobs to exploit the unemployed.

WIZEB wrote: Emma got a nice golden handshake mate, for making a sizable loss http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9788801/A4es-Emma-Harrison-paid-1.5m-dividend-despite-pre-tax-loss.html Well a lot of bank managers just happen to get the same golden handshakes during the big losses and it's the same deal for these workfare companies. I had the misfortune of meeting a manager who works for Ingeus and he spent many years working for the financial sector before swapping jobs to exploit the unemployed.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:04 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Very unlikely she will be paying and pay related taxes if she is only working part time unless her hourly rate is huge!!

Which is the major issue with taking the low paid out of tax all together, total disenfranchiseation of a whole section of society.

Sal Paradise wrote:

The point here is whether you think those on JSA are spending 39 hours a week looking for work. How can we possibly know?

Sending them out to work for free isn't going to solve that.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:13 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

More drivel - so to stand on the door of a museum and show people where to go or working behind the counter of their shop needs a university education?

If you put it that way then no you don't need a university education to do the tasks above. However customers visiting the museum will at least expect that the staff can engage in a intelligent conversation reguarding the content in the museum.

A couple of months ago I went to a local exhibition and one of the highlights was talking to the site manager who went through with me the history of sunny bank mills in Farsley. Yes whenever he went to university or not is irrelevant but these types of jobs can't just go to anybody unlike supermarket jobs. They is a difference.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:22 pm  

Standee wrote:

shows how employable she is then

Unfortunately, there are not a huge number of jobs around at present.

The only thing that my niece can get at present is part-time in an independent jewellery shop in Leeds – after becoming the first of our immediate family to get a degree.

In the case of this young woman, she has a geology degree and had organised work experience for herself, in a local museum. In other words, something that was relevant to her degree and her career hopes. That was stopped when she was told that she had to do WorkFare in Poundland. In other words, work experience had nothing to do with anything.

Her subsequent work for Morrisons illustrates two things: that she's employable and that she's not afraid to work.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:37 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Unfortunately, there are not a huge number of jobs around at present.

The only thing that my niece can get at present is part-time in an independent jewellery shop in Leeds – after becoming the first of our immediate family to get a degree.

at the risk of sparking an inter-personal (but not personal) argument, what is her degree in, and where from?

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:57 pm  

What a shame the Coalitions slave labour scheme has been scuppered .

I wonder what will be the next Dickensian scheme they will try to implement.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:05 pm  

Standee wrote:

at the risk of sparking an inter-personal (but not personal) argument, what is her degree in, and where from?

Fine art from Leeds College of Art & Design, which has a very good track record on providing people for industries that require designers etc.

Re: Workfare judged illegal : Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:11 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Fine art from Leeds College of Art & Design, which has a very good track record on providing people for industries that require designers etc.

I couldn't give a fook if she'd never taken an exam in her life.
If the works there, the @rseholes should pay them the going rate.
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