Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:34 pm  

We need to recruit a bunch of Bulgarian grannies in traditional dress, waving union flags if we really are serious about making a statement of intent to win it.

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:50 pm  

Stand-Offish wrote:

... because we part-fund this nonsense, we ought to have a clause inserted to the effect that we have to win the thing every so many years,

But it's not "nonsense", it is just the most mammoth thing, it's so big, there's nothing even remotely to compare with it. Literally hundreds of millions are spent on it. So whatever you think of the actual end product, it is as big a deal as there is in that context.

If I gave you exactly the same funding, do you think you could turn it into something credible? I'm damn sure I could. My issue with it is that why pisz all that money down the toilet that the end product has become? The sheer weight of money available should very easily transform it into a top music event, and I can't understand why it doesn't. Particularly as the thing has got so bloody big whole countries wouldn't even be able to afford to stage it if they won.

Stand-Offish wrote:

... if only to keep Aardvark happy (if that's possible), ....

Heheh there's more chance of Bonnie winning than that

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:45 pm  

Its fundamental problem is that good quality songs usually need to be listened to a few times to be fully appreciated. Eurovision panders to instantly absorbed bubblegum. To make it into a contest that genuinely attracts good songs would require the judges to listen to each song 3 or 4 times. Eurovision doesn't work like that, certainly not when there's a pubic vote.

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:57 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

Its fundamental problem is that good quality songs usually need to be listened to a few times to be fully appreciated. Eurovision panders to instantly absorbed bubblegum. To make it into a contest that genuinely attracts good songs would require the judges to listen to each song 3 or 4 times. Eurovision doesn't work like that,

Good point, but all the songs are available long before the contest. I'd accept the majority of people wouldn't have listened to them all, though, certainly.

But it is the same for all entries, and so full appreciation isn't required, but yes, instant immediate appeal is.

What isn't immediately apparent though is why so many entries think that the standard cliched Euroclone song fits that bill - it no longer does, those songs never do well.

Cibaman wrote:

certainly not when there's a pubic vote.

Is there? Well, that WOULD attract a whole new demographic!

Meanwhile, Engelbert has spoken. He congratulated our Bonnie on "being the one" and went on:

"The loss of winning had me stepping on a loose unforgiving stone on a pyramid to paradise," he wrote.

"But paradise will always be there for someone else to triumph in fair judgement to pride our country again."

If anybody can post a translation of this for me, I'd be grateful.

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:02 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Good point, but all the songs are available long before the contest. I'd accept the majority of people wouldn't have listened to them all, though, certainly.

But it is the same for all entries, and so full appreciation isn't required, but yes, instant immediate appeal is.

What isn't immediately apparent though is why so many entries think that the standard cliched Euroclone song fits that bill - it no longer does, those songs never do well.

Is there? Well, that WOULD attract a whole new demographic!

Meanwhile, Engelbert has spoken. He congratulated our Bonnie on "being the one" and went on:

If anybody can post a translation of this for me, I'd be grateful.

Loosely translated it means I was robbed, good luck to the Welsh Warbler.

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:48 pm  

Do people really take the Eurovision serious??...

The UK comes close to the bottom every year, which, if we are taking it seriously, means we are pretty dire at the whole music thing, yet we gave the world The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zeppelin the list is endless??

Instead of the Eurovision, just show re-runs of the music from the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympic Games and then stick two fingers up to the rest of Europe and tell them to match that....

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:23 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Do people really take the Eurovision serious??...

The UK comes close to the bottom every year, which, if we are taking it seriously, means we are pretty dire at the whole music thing, yet we gave the world The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zeppelin the list is endless??

Instead of the Eurovision, just show re-runs of the music from the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympic Games and then stick two fingers up to the rest of Europe and tell them to match that....

I don't know, ABBA are at least a million times better than Jessie J.

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:27 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

I don't know, ABBA are at least a million times better than Jessie J.

Really?.....Both are utter shiite, both just sound like camp disco, aimed at teenage girls and homosexuals to me.

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:35 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

aimed at teenage girls and homosexuals to me.

I'm neither but I like ABBA. You can keep Jessie J, Spice Girls, Emeli Sande, Artic Monkeys, One Direction, Elbow, Kaiser Cheifs and all those who made the opening/closing ceremonys so great.

Re: Eurovision 2013 : Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:42 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

I'm neither but I like ABBA. You can keep Jessie J, Spice Girls, Emeli Sande, Artic Monkeys, One Direction, Elbow, Kaiser Cheifs and all those who made the opening/closing ceremonys so great.

I fully respect that music is all about personal musical choice and preference, so I'll just move away from the debate giggling at the idea that ABBA are better than Elbow or the Arctic Monkeys....