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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Mon May 13, 2013 8:42 pm  
I want a referendum on Tory marriage. Of course in our fascist world today you can't express views like that because you just get branded a bigot but some of us find their disgusting practices offensive and just don't think its right that the law should endorse it through allowing marriage.
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Mon May 13, 2013 9:00 pm  
DaveO wrote:
Just before the election in 2010 the Tories introduced their "contract for equalities" document which said they recognised civil partnerships and would recognise them in the tax system.

It also said they would consider changing the law to allow civil partnerships to be called marriages and classified as such.

So putting this bill through, presumably having given due consideration to the issues, is actually keeping a promise the Tory party made as outlined in a major policy document launched by the then shadow equalities minister Theresa May.

There is no need for a referendum as it was a clear party policy before the last election and anyone voting for them can't really object to this bill on the basis of it not being party policy.

The fact their own MP's want to scupper it reflects badly on them.

First of all why did they stand for a party with such a clear policy on this in the first place if they are so against it?

Is it because they fear UKIP?

Either way its disingenuous because it was either right to have this as party policy and so they should defend it given it was, not now claim the opposite or they are showing total lack of principle if they are willing to rip up party policy in the face of a bunch of nutters in UKIP particularly when opinion polls support the bill?


Was gay marriage included in their election manifesto though? I have not trawled through it all but did find this:

"We will recognise marriage and civil partnerships in the tax system in the next Parliament."

Reference to "civil parntnerships" may imply not but as I say I have not through it all.

So, could it be the 150 MPs are in fact honourable keepers of manifesto pledges?
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Mon May 13, 2013 9:18 pm  
I think we should have referendums on everything.

It'd be interesting to watch politicians changing their opinions on everything.
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Mon May 13, 2013 9:34 pm  
Scooter Nik wrote:
I think we should have referendums on everything.

It'd be interesting to watch politicians changing their opinions on everything.


If we had referenda on eveything there would be no need for MPs.
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Mon May 13, 2013 10:02 pm  
You're catching up, aren't you?
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Tue May 14, 2013 11:49 am  
Dally wrote:
... So, could it be the 150 MPs are in fact honourable keepers of manifesto pledges?

Unless the negotiable elements are stated before the election, any coalition agreement is likely to contain manifesto backtracks.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

These back benchers are not "honourable keepers of manifesto pledges", they are self-centred sheep who haven't the balls to face up to their crusty selection committees and are terrified of falling off the gravy train if they get deselected.
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Tue May 14, 2013 12:04 pm  
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These back benchers are not "honourable keepers of manifesto pledges", they are self-centred sheep who haven't the balls to face up to their crusty selection committees and are terrified of falling off the gravy train if they get deselected.


Not to mention self-righteous religious (in many instances) hypocrites, who will happily quote the parts of scripture where 'God' forbids homosexuality, but ignore all the inconvenient bits that don't back up their argument.
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Tue May 14, 2013 4:08 pm  
Dally wrote:
... So, could it be the 150 MPs are in fact honourable keepers of manifesto pledges?


Be interesting to see how many are getting quite as upset about Cameron's lies on the NHS.
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Tue May 14, 2013 4:10 pm  
Dally wrote:
Was gay marriage included in their election manifesto though? I have not trawled through it all but did find this:

"We will recognise marriage and civil partnerships in the tax system in the next Parliament."

Reference to "civil parntnerships" may imply not but as I say I have not through it all.

So, could it be the 150 MPs are in fact honourable keepers of manifesto pledges?


No a commitment to Gay marriage wasn't a manifesto commitment but then manifesto's are not and never been a limit on what government's do but set out what they hope to do.

Have a read of this http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/17/tory-mps-gay-marriage_n_2315406.html
Dally wrote:
Was gay marriage included in their election manifesto though? I have not trawled through it all but did find this:

"We will recognise marriage and civil partnerships in the tax system in the next Parliament."

Reference to "civil parntnerships" may imply not but as I say I have not through it all.

So, could it be the 150 MPs are in fact honourable keepers of manifesto pledges?


No a commitment to Gay marriage wasn't a manifesto commitment but then manifesto's are not and never been a limit on what government's do but set out what they hope to do.

Have a read of this http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/17/tory-mps-gay-marriage_n_2315406.html
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Re: Referendum on gay marriage? : Fri May 17, 2013 6:03 am  
Mintball wrote:
Be interesting to see how many are getting quite as upset about Cameron's lies on the NHS.


It does seem strange that so many are getting so animated over a proposal that will have zero impact on anyone other than the two people who want to marry. Yet they are content to sit on their hands as the NHS becomes divorced from the state
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