Re: How to deal with drunks? : Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:35 pm  

DJKYLE wrote:

Have any of you lot ever been in a late night establishment? People do not even drink in them anymore. They get tanked up at home with supermarket deals and then the venues have to deal with it afterwards.

No licensed venue has to deal with drunks, in fact its illegal for them to "deal" with anyone who is drunk, all they have to do is refuse them admission, easier these days with every club and pub having doormen (the need for which instantly removes them from my "must visit" list).

What happens was perfectly illustrated on last weeks episode of "Bouncers" where the heavy on the gate at one of Jesmonds watering holes was meeting and greeting on a bank holiday monday afternoon and admitted a party of 30-something blokes, most of whom were well blathered, he quoted to camera the fact that if there were only a couple of them he wouldn't have let them in but they didn't have the resources to refuse admission to such a large group and anyway, his boss wouldn't be pleased if he was seen turning away that sort of business.

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:49 am  

DJKYLE wrote:

Have any of you lot ever been in a late night establishment?

No, none of us have. Ever.

DJKYLE wrote:

People do not even drink in them anymore. They get tanked up at home with supermarket deals and then the venues have to deal with it afterwards.

Let me get this straight; venues spend money to set up, staff, run and license their venue, and admit hundreds of customers, but do this for nothing, (except the privilege of having to deal with a shedload of tanked up assholes) because none of the customers actually spends any money there.

OK. That sounds likely. No, really. I'm sure you're right.

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:55 am  

Drunk Tanks - a great business opportunity for the leisure sector!

Drunk Tanks - a great business opportunity for the leisure sector!

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:00 pm  

What happens when the powers that be at G4S start setting targets to hit, 12 drunks a night so we are in profit?
How will people be judged that they've had too much to drink?
Who judges them and what training/background checks will they have?

Some people talk nonsense - "People nowadays get tanked up on Supermarket ale before going out". It's always been the case having a few before you go out, or go to the pub for happy hour or have a few in the local before we go out etc.

Most of the idiots that cause trouble are fuelled by cocaine, not alcohol, its just some Tory minister that hasn't been on a night out in 50 years, what next Police State?

Honest to God, every time I've ever been out I've had a skin full but I can handle it and other than when I've been abroad I've never seen many people spewing/unconscious on the floor in any pub or town centre.

No problem with a drunk tank in a City centre/Town centre but the people placed into them must be done by Police and not to a private firm and must only be on the basis that they are paralytic, which like I said before is a rare site. It would be a complete waste of money IMO if run by Government and if taken on by G4S then the private firm would start setting targets to cover the costs and start nicking anyone who's had a drink to meet their quota, would end up like the Gestapo.

Sorry, am oot!

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:32 am  

post wrote:

...Some people talk nonsense...

Don't they just.

post wrote:

...It's always been the case having a few before you go out...

No, it hasn't.

post wrote:

...Most of the idiots that cause trouble are fuelled by cocaine, not alcohol, its just some Tory minister that hasn't been on a night out in 50 years, what next Police State?..

Most?
If that's the case, shouldn't we should be testing those scraped off the floor for cocaine?

post wrote:

...Honest to God, every time I've ever been out I've had a skin full but I can handle it ...

What does this mean?
That you are immune to the effects of alcohol or that you know when enough is enough?

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:17 am  

[quote="El Barbudo"]Don't they just.

No, it hasn't.

Each to their own.

Most?
If that's the case, shouldn't we should be testing those scraped off the floor for cocaine?

If people are on cocaine they won't be on the floor as it keeps them going for longer on the ale, they're more likely to cause trouble rather than be on the floor, but can anyone be punished for having cocaine in their blood stream if they aren't a sports player?

What does this mean?
That you are immune to the effects of alcohol or that you know when enough is enough?

I know when enough is enough, I don't get to the stage where I'm not in control of myself but would have had a few drinks enough to make the average person drunk.

When was the last time you say someone drunk as a skunk in a city/town centre enough to warrant the use of drunk tanks other than what they have shown you clips of on the news to back up the idea?

Just another way of milking the general public once again.

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:48 am  

post wrote:

...When was the last time you say someone drunk as a skunk in a city/town centre enough to warrant the use of drunk tanks other than what they have shown you clips of on the news to back up the idea?..

I don't see the point of drunk tanks, it's not tackling the problem at the right point.
Serving people whose behaviour/demeanour/speech/swaying/whatever suggests they've already had enough or too much is, to me, where the problem should be nipped.

When did I last see someone drunk and incapable in a town centre?
I wasn't in a city centre last weekend, so two weeks ago.

I like a pint as much as anyone, I drink to enjoy what I'm drinking and relax.
Getting drunk is only a consequence in the increasingly rare event that I misjudge it at a celebration or suchlike... it is absolutely never the idea I go out with as a target.

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:00 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

I don't see the point of drunk tanks, it's not tackling the problem at the right point.
Serving people whose behaviour/demeanour/speech/swaying/whatever suggests they've already had enough or too much is, to me, where the problem should be nipped.

When did I last see someone drunk and incapable in a town centre?
I wasn't in a city centre last weekend, so two weeks ago.

I like a pint as much as anyone, I drink to enjoy what I'm drinking and relax.
Getting drunk is only a consequence in the increasingly rare event that I misjudge it at a celebration or suchlike... it is absolutely never the idea I go out with as a target.

Good point, think how you would feel having misjudged yourself and ended up a little drunk and then thrown in a drunk tank and fined £400. Its a load of cobblers, the police would initially be in control of putting people in and because they were dragging officers from their duty and costing the tax payer too much it would all be sent to G4S and we would have a privatised police force patrolling city/town centres nicking people to meet their quotas. Then Joe public would find other ways to entertain themselves and stay away from the centres etc etc etc and so on.

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:03 am  

Its not unusual for Chief Constables to make political statements seemingly "on behalf" of the police, its also not unusual for Chief Constables to take up political positions when they leave their posts and therefore its not unusual for incumbent governments to agree with them.

It shouldn't therefore be a surprise that in this particular case its a Chief Constable who is suggesting that another agency should take care of drunken behavior or that profit could be made from this venture, he's lining himself up for a nice little advisory role in the next government or a directorship in "Drunks-R-Us Corp" on the assumption that its a blue government.

Re: How to deal with drunks? : Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:08 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Its not unusual for Chief Constables to make political statements seemingly "on behalf" of the police, its also not unusual for Chief Constables to take up political positions when they leave their posts and therefore its not unusual for incumbent governments to agree with them.

It shouldn't therefore be a surprise that in this particular case its a Chief Constable who is suggesting that another agency should take care of drunken behavior or that profit could be made from this venture, he's lining himself up for a nice little advisory role in the next government or a directorship in "Drunks-R-Us Corp" on the assumption that its a blue government.

Correct, are we heading towards a totalitarian state?