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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:29 am  
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He makes stuff up all the time, and isn't very good at it. Don't worry, he'll disappear for a few days and then pop up on another thread.


Will little ajw be tugging on his shoelaces following behind him?
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:31 am  
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... KPMG is a living wage employer. You reckon that cost them a lot? Have they asked for their NI bill to be reduced? No.


KPMG have become champions for the living wage precisely because it improves productivity, retention and recruitment, and helps reduce sickness.

There is a short-sighted ethos out there of treating employees as a cost, to be cut as much as possible rather than seen as an investment, is actually conducive to better performance by a company. It's bølløcks, it's short-sighted and it damages the economy at the same time.
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:19 pm  
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Will little ajw be tugging on his shoelaces following behind him?

I wouldn't be surprised. Interesting how he's never returned to the Andrew Mitchell thread.
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:42 pm  
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Mind, it's only a week or so ago when David Cameron called for 'capitalism classes' in schools.

Now just imagine what uproar there'd be if anyone suggested 'communism' classes.

It shouldn't be the business of any school to teach any political ethos (or faith, for that matter) over any other.


By communism classes I assume you mean students actually learning about the 'benefits' of communism rather its many ills. If that is what you mean of course there would be uproar. Why do we want our kids taught about an evil ideology as if it is a good thing?

How exactly do you 'teach communism' anyway? Once it is taught even children will realise it is an absolute joke and reject it out of hand. There has to be some kind of sense / purpose to what is being taught.

Much of this speech by Boris is obvious. 'There will always be inequality' - well you don't say. It's fact but it offends the core principles of socialism. Presumably why the left are so up in arms about it.
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Mind, it's only a week or so ago when David Cameron called for 'capitalism classes' in schools.

Now just imagine what uproar there'd be if anyone suggested 'communism' classes.

It shouldn't be the business of any school to teach any political ethos (or faith, for that matter) over any other.


By communism classes I assume you mean students actually learning about the 'benefits' of communism rather its many ills. If that is what you mean of course there would be uproar. Why do we want our kids taught about an evil ideology as if it is a good thing?

How exactly do you 'teach communism' anyway? Once it is taught even children will realise it is an absolute joke and reject it out of hand. There has to be some kind of sense / purpose to what is being taught.

Much of this speech by Boris is obvious. 'There will always be inequality' - well you don't say. It's fact but it offends the core principles of socialism. Presumably why the left are so up in arms about it.
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:00 pm  
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I suppose you think William Wilberforce shouldn't have opposed slavery because he wasn't a slave? That is the stupidity of your "logic" re Toynbee or anyone else who isn't on the bread line who dares champion social equality....


A really good analogy.

Similarly, one should only have opposed apartheid if a black South African.
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:02 pm  
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By communism classes I assume you mean students actually learning about the 'benefits' of communism rather its many ills. If that is what you mean of course there would be uproar. Why do we want our kids taught about an evil ideology as if it is a good thing?


As opposed to something that keeps billions in poverty? And I was using it as an example, so well done for that going woooooooooosh right over your head.

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... Much of this speech by Boris is obvious. 'There will always be inequality' - well you don't say. It's fact but it offends the core principles of socialism. Presumably why the left are so up in arms about it.


And you object to a fairer society why?

Instead of just coming out with your usual soundbites and then running away, try to answer the following:

• since there is evidence that the least fair societies in the developed world actually produce worse social outcomes (health, education, crime etc) for ALL in those societies than countries where inequality is not so extreme, where is your logical argument that increased fairness is a bad thing;

• how do you propose an economy that is hugely dependent on people spending operates when those people have less and less to spend in that economy'

• what is the moral and ethical argument for greed and for greater unfairness in society;

• if society becomes even unfairer, how will that be good for society as a whole;

• if society becomes even unfairer, how qwill society have to cope with greater poverty, homelessness, fewer jobs, more low-paid jobs etc?
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:02 pm  
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I wouldn't be surprised. Interesting how he's never returned to the Andrew Mitchell thread.


See above: he's posting more nonsense.
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:51 pm  
Since Ajw72 is still browsing this forum, one assumes he's spending time to answer those actual questions.
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:53 pm  
There are 300,000 $billionaies in the world.

There are 3 billion people subsisting on less than $3 per day.

How, in any civilised society, is that even approaching fair?
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Re: Greed is good; envy is an economic driver : Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:01 pm  
Still no answers and he's still around?
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