Re: The big immigration row : Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:44 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Would other countries want to get control over there's and send the expats back?

And there we go...the discussion collapses before it even gets started.

You, spouting meaningless tripe like that, are part of the reason immigration can not be discussed constructively.

Other countries and how they handle British ex-pats are absolutely nothing to do with how the UK handles its immigrants.

Re: The big immigration row : Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:46 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Would other countries want to get control over there's and send the expats back?

i sincerely hope not.
we don't deserve that.

Re: The big immigration row : Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:02 pm  

Cronus wrote:

And there we go...the discussion collapses before it even gets started.

You, spouting meaningless tripe like that, are part of the reason immigration can not be discussed constructively.

Other countries and how they handle British ex-pats are absolutely nothing to do with how the UK handles its immigrants.

Don't we have agreements with other countries? If we changed our side of the agreement wouldn't they change theirs?

Re: The big immigration row : Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:22 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Don't we have agreements with other countries? If we changed our side of the agreement wouldn't they change theirs?

If the UK tightens immigration laws and other countries go tit-for-tat that's for them and potentially for ex-pats to worry about.

Re: The big immigration row : Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:54 pm  

Shouldn't we discuss it with them first in case they also stopped trade? Or do we just stop everyone, apart from their highly trained people, and worry about the repercussions later?

Re: The big immigration row : Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:41 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Shouldn't we discuss it with them first in case they also stopped trade? Or do we just stop everyone, apart from their highly trained people, and worry about the repercussions later?

If there was the slightest chance they might stop trading with the UK, perhaps, But they won't in a million years, so the suggestion is irrelevant.

In fact one might even suggest some countries might welcome a reduction in the export of workers to the UK - a few years ago some colleagues in Europe began to talk of a shortage of skilled Polish workers in some trades, leading to other nationalities going into Poland...for higher wages than the departed indigenous workers. This has in turn led to some Poles returning home to take advantage of said higher wages. Ironic?

Re: The big immigration row : Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:40 am  

Cronus wrote:

If there was the slightest chance they might stop trading with the UK, perhaps, But they won't in a million years, so the suggestion is irrelevant.

In fact one might even suggest some countries might welcome a reduction in the export of workers to the UK - a few years ago some colleagues in Europe began to talk of a shortage of skilled Polish workers in some trades, leading to other nationalities going into Poland...for higher wages than the departed indigenous workers. This has in turn led to some Poles returning home to take advantage of said higher wages. Ironic?

Not really, people will also go to other countries to make more money. My Dad worked in South Africa before I was born for 4 years and returned with 50% of a house deposit.

It's supply and demand.

Just out of interest what would you do to stop/regulate immigration?

Re: The big immigration row : Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:49 am  

Sheldon wrote:

Just out of interest what would you do to stop/regulate immigration?

Its already regulated - you may not agree with the level to which its controlled, but there isn't, despite what the newspapers would have you believe, an open door policy in the UK.

Re: The big immigration row : Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:45 am  

She's enough to put a man off his three shredded wheat of a morning.

Re: The big immigration row : Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:27 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Its already regulated - you may not agree with the level to which its controlled, but there isn't, despite what the newspapers would have you believe, an open door policy in the UK.

I agree. It's actually pretty tough already.

Try telling companies who can't get decent British/EU staff and also can't get workers from outside the EU or the thousands of British citizens who can't have their partners join them in the UK, solely because they don't earn enough (nothing to so with sham marriages) that there is an open door policy.

It would help if the Home Office were a bit more fit for purpose, but with this lot in charge, inaccuracy is the keyword. It now takes over 6 months to challenge a Home Office decision at the Tribunal, because there are so many appeals in the system, but also because HO policy is to ignore representations and let things go to appeal.

It really is a crazy, inefficient, ineffective system we have right now, but its a long way from an open door.