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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:45 pm  
Would comfortably talk rings around most of todays politicians, journalists and commentators- especially that shower they had on QT last night.

My honest opinion of him, I thought he was a talker rather than a dooer, making things actually happen in government or politics relies on a certain pragmatism that I think he lacked in favour of always staying on his message. There is no question he was intelligent and I agree with many of his stated principles, but when I read his 5 questions I do wonder if he fell short himself when it came to who he served. In my opinion he served himself as much as any I have seen in politics, the fact his ideals were in many cases aligned with many of my beliefs doesn't alter the fact that his, at times, innability to see past his own agenda at a time when his brand of socialism was not a vote winner cost the Labour party and the country dearly. Self indulgent when the country needed an opposition that was united and electable. I'm sure some old Tories were huge fans of Tony Benn and his work on the left of the Labour party.

But even as a kid I knew who he was and what he stood for. Government these days looks like the management team of WHSmith - and is just as recognisable.

I wonder if his diaries will ever get published? On-line versions could make intersting reading, but then maybe you don't need to know everything about everybody.
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:49 pm  
DHM wrote:
... I wonder if his diaries will ever get published? On-line versions could make intersting reading, but then maybe you don't need to know everything about everybody.


I think most of them are available.
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... I wonder if his diaries will ever get published? On-line versions could make intersting reading, but then maybe you don't need to know everything about everybody.


I think most of them are available.
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:04 pm  


As I was typing that I thought they had been. Thanks.


As I was typing that I thought they had been. Thanks.
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:41 pm  
Seemed a very decent, principled man. The product of a good, Protestant upbringing.
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:12 pm  
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Seemed a very decent, principled man. The product of a good, Protestant upbringing.

What odd logic ... in fact no logic at all.
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:29 pm  
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What odd logic ... in fact no logic at all.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... rnalSearch
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What odd logic ... in fact no logic at all.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... rnalSearch
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:10 pm  
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http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/why-tony-benn-will-be-so-sorely-missed--by-tristram-hunt-9193224.html?origin=internalSearch

It's the way I read it as though the former was a natural result of the latter, which in no way is a guaranteed outcome.
There was nothing wrong with what you wrote.
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:12 am  
When Wilson eviscerated the mines and miners in the 60's, where was Benn, the "champion of the powerless"?
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:17 am  
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When Wilson eviscerated the mines and miners in the 60's, where was Benn, the "champion of the powerless"?


No that load of old fanny again?

Whenever right-wingers want to excuse Thatcher's anhialation of the mining industry, they always bring up the fact that Wilson closed more pits. They also conveniently forget to mention that the NUM, however reluctantly, went along with the closures because they accepted the argument that the pits earmarked for closure were exhausted. They also worked with the Labout government of the day to ensure as many miners as possible were redeployed in other, productive pits.
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Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:22 am  
But Thatcher wasn't going to close all them pits didn't you know?
It's all Scargill's fault that the UK mining industry is deceased, apparently. :lol:
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