Re: The witch-hunters : Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:57 am  

cod'ead wrote:

How on earth do you manage to work that one out?

That was the point at which I searched the list of Smilies again for one that shrugs its shoulders and walks away shaking its head.

Re: The witch-hunters : Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:00 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

There will be some gay people who are anti-marriage like I am and don't want the gay marriage laws to pass. So is it okay by you if these gay people are labelled as anti-gays and run out of their jobs as well?

Thats probably as fine an example of twisted logic as you will ever read.

Re: The witch-hunters : Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:45 am  

Cronus wrote:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Indeed. But something that those of a discriminatory nature like to forget about free speech is that they are protected from prosecution by the state but not from public opinion.

Re: The witch-hunters : Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:52 am  

Seems to me we are entering dangerous territory where the self-appointed sheep-like thought police hound people and cyber bully them for holding perfectly reasonable views. This is a very important issue and is just as much an assault on freedom of thought and speech than that from certain governments. There is nothing more dangerous to humanity than unthinking group-"thinking". At some point people will be killed through this (very probably as a backlash against this sort of PC nonsense).

Re: The witch-hunters : Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:25 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Quite easily. I am for equal rights for gay people. I do not personally care one way or the other whether gays are given the right to marry. So the issues are clearly not the same for me.

There will be some gay people who are anti-marriage like I am and don't want the gay marriage laws to pass. So is it okay by you if these gay people are labelled as anti-gays and run out of their jobs as well?

Jerry Chicken is coming straight out and calling this guy a homophobe based solely on the fact he donated money to the campaign not to allow same sex marriage. But 7 million people voted his way in the vote. Are all of these 7 million people certified homophobes now and should be disqualified from ever being a CEO of a company?

Lemme get this straight:

Opposing a law that would allow gay people to enjoy equal rights to marry as heterosexual people currently enjoy, is not the same as opposing equal rights for gay people?

As to the marriage thing, you are aware that it is entirely voluntary? I know of no country in the world that has passed legislation compelling people, whatever their sexuality, to marry someone of the same or opposite gender

Re: The witch-hunters : Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:25 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Lemme get this straight:

Opposing a law that would allow gay people to enjoy equal rights to marry as heterosexual people currently enjoy, is not the same as opposing equal rights for gay people?

You know it's not as simple as just being about gay rights. You know that religion plays an enormous part in this, even if plead ignorance you still know it's true.

Now I actually happen to be pretty much 100% atheist and think that the world would be massively better off if religion was abolished tomorrow. But I'm also tolerant of the fact that there are billions of people who believe strongly in the stupid 5hit they've been brainwashed with since they were kids and they have the right to believe that stupid 5hit.

Bringing in gay marriage will be a massive blow to churches in America. That, IMO, is kind of why gays want to take the traditional straight marriage as it is rather than actually coming up with a better, more suitable and intelligent version of marriage of their own.

There are issues with immigration should gay marriages be totally accepted. There will be huge issues inside prisons should two cellmates marry and the prison authorities have to move one of the prisoners into another wing or prison. There will be issues over bisexuals wishing to be married to a man and a woman at the same time. There will be people pushing for multiple marriages to be allowed.

So I'm for equal rights, and protections for gays.

I believe that marriage is an outdated sham and needs replacing.

If gay people want to marry and probably damage their lives I have no problem with that. But for the reasons I've listed there are so many issues with legalising gay marriage that I really don't care over this 5hit.

I want the world to be rid of religion, so because of that I kind of hope that gay marriages are fully accepted and religion is stunned so bad from it that common sense is able to follow it up with knockout blows.

But I'm also tolerant of the right of religious people to believe in their magic man in the sky. My atheist minority shouldn't be able to force our views on them because we are right.

So I am for gay rights. Pretty much don't care about the issue of gay marriages being made legal and wouldn't bother to vote. But I don't accept Jerry Chicken's blatant lie that a no vote over gay marriage = homophobe.

But the fact that the Mozilla CEO was hounded out of his job over a simple donation is completely and utterly wrong and it is disgusting that tolerance has disappeared pretty much as soon as gays seem to be winning their fight for acceptance.

The fact the Mozilla CEO was forced to resign is pretty much a repeat of the hunt for Commies in Hollywood. It's a return to the bad old days when blacks were second class citizens just because most whites felt that way. It's a return to the time when gays were beaten by groups of kids simply because of the fact they were gay.

I believe that everyone should believe in equality for gays. But you shouldn't be so wrapped up in rights for gays that you fail to see blatant and nasty bullying against people by the gay lobby.

Re: The witch-hunters : Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:16 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Thats probably as fine an example of twisted logic as you will ever read.

He's just done the same with me.

He's answered lots of questions, unfortunately I never asked them

Re: The witch-hunters : Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:43 am  

cod'ead wrote:

He's just done the same with me.

He's answered lots of questions, unfortunately I never asked them

He's an head-the-baller.
I worked that one out last year.

Re: The witch-hunters : Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:33 am  

The witch-hunters.

I thought this was a thread about the CPS prosecuting historic sex offences with a complete lack of evidence and no realistic prospect of conviction.

Re: The witch-hunters : Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:14 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

You know it's not as simple as just being about gay rights. You know that religion plays an enormous part in this, even if plead ignorance you still know it's true.

Now I actually happen to be pretty much 100% atheist and think that the world would be massively better off if religion was abolished tomorrow. But I'm also tolerant of the fact that there are billions of people who believe strongly in the stupid 5hit they've been brainwashed with since they were kids and they have the right to believe that stupid 5hit.

Having the right to believe something and having the right to deny rights to others based on those beliefs are two entirely different things.

There are issues with immigration should gay marriages be totally accepted. There will be huge issues inside prisons should two cellmates marry and the prison authorities have to move one of the prisoners into another wing or prison. There will be issues over bisexuals wishing to be married to a man and a woman at the same time. There will be people pushing for multiple marriages to be allowed.

This paragraph must be an attempt at a wind up. It just has to be.

So I'm for equal rights, and protections for gays.

I believe that marriage is an outdated sham and needs replacing.

If gay people want to marry and probably damage their lives I have no problem with that.

That's the second time you've made that remark in this thread as though it's an accepted fact. Millions of people marry every year, and many of those marriages are happy and long-lasting. I've been married for nearly 11 years and haven't regretted it for a single second in all that time.

But I'm also tolerant of the right of religious people to believe in their magic man in the sky. My atheist minority shouldn't be able to force our views on them because we are right.

I'm not remotely tolerant of anyone who uses the Bible as justification for opposing gay rights. They're happy to quote Leviticus when it comes to oppressing homosexuals, but seem to forget it even exists when it comes to eating prawns, wearing polycotton and trimming their beards. Anyone who picks this one forbidden sin from Leviticus and ignores the other 137 or so things that it forbids is simply using the Bible to excuse their bigotry. This should never be tolerated.

The fact the Mozilla CEO was forced to resign is pretty much a repeat of the hunt for Commies in Hollywood. It's a return to the bad old days when blacks were second class citizens just because most whites felt that way. It's a return to the time when gays were beaten by groups of kids simply because of the fact they were gay.

I may be mistaken, but it looks like you're trying to equate one homophobe losing his job as a direct result of his homophobic behaviour with the subjugation of an entire race based solely on their skin colour. Please tell me I'm wrong.

I believe that everyone should believe in equality for gays. But you shouldn't be so wrapped up in rights for gays that you fail to see blatant and nasty bullying against people by the gay lobby.

Being intolerant of bigotry is not, in itself, intolerant. If your company prides itself on being inclusive and it comes to light that the CEO doesn't buy into that ethos, of course he should walk.