Re: Life thru a lens : Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:01 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

At one of the most recent gigs I was at there was a girl filming bits of it on her iPad. I could have happily smashed it over her head.

why?

because you don't have an IPad?

she has paid to be there, I get annoyed by old people shuffling around supermarkets, but I don't push them out of the way

THE WORLD CHANGES, either get on, or stop participating.

Re: Life thru a lens : Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:11 pm  

Standee wrote:

...

she has paid to be there,

... and yet, she's not there, she's a bystander, recording it instead of experiencing it, without realising.

Standee wrote:

... I get annoyed by old people shuffling around supermarkets, ...

Now that doesn't surprise me one little bit. How very dare "old people" with some mobility restriction even momentarily inconvenience such a superior human. It is indeed very benevolent of you to deign not to push them aside, in spite of their total lack of consideration in continuing to exist despite having got slow and old, but then pushing them could be dangerous as it could knock you off your high horse.

Re: Life thru a lens : Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:43 pm  

Standee wrote:

why?

because you don't have an IPad?

she has paid to be there

Paid to be there but still insisted on half heartedly watching the gig while half heartedly filming a multiple number of random half minute clips while waving a screen in the air.

I have a smart phone but chose to keep it in my pocket to enjoy the gig as it happened.

I could have pi$$ed up her back if I'd wanted to, as you say, I paid to be there.

Re: Life thru a lens : Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:15 am  

Standee wrote:

why?

because you don't have an IPad?

she has paid to be there, I get annoyed by old people shuffling around supermarkets, but I don't push them out of the way

THE WORLD CHANGES, either get on, or stop participating.

That's a particularly stupid view. It assumes that all change is positive. Smoking became widespread among the population. Your view point would be don't challenge that as it's just how the world is.

For me, it's all about how things affect other people around you. If you want to film a gig/concert etc whatever that's up to you. I don't see the attraction to it to be honest, bar a short clip or a couple of pictures as memories of the event, but if you want to that's up to you. However whatever you do should have in mind other people. Does your filming of the event affect them?
If you're stood directly behind someone holding an IPad or even just a phone above their head the whole time it can be off-putting and affect your enjoyment of the event, not just the physical object in your sight line but they're usually lit in someway whilst recording too.

For me, recording an event in that manner shows a selfishness and lack of respect for other people around you who've also paid the same as you to watch the same event.

Also, when the artist, in this case, hasn't banned and strictly enforced a policy but has just politely asked people to do something that's so minor as to be unremarkable, it would seem to only be polite to comply.

Re: Life thru a lens : Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:50 am  

Him wrote:

Also, when the artist, in this case, hasn't banned and strictly enforced a policy but has just politely asked people to do something that's so minor as to be unremarkable, it would seem to only be polite to comply.

I think if Kate Bush had performed in a couple of her shows and there was an issue with people overdoing it with cameras and phones, to the detriment of the viewing audience, then I would wholeheartedly back Bush in her request.

However, this is Bush's first concert in nearly 30 years, so she has no idea whether there would have been a problem anyway.

The request from Bush was very polite. But the fact St Kate has made this request means that the venue security and her most devoted fans will treat someone getting out their camera for a couple of snaps as close to a capital offence.

Re: Life thru a lens : Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:26 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

What has any arbitrary age got to do with the topic of immersing yourself in an experience as opposed to acting as a cameraperson? If the person holding their phone aloft is 15 or 150 the point remains just the same, but I do wonder whether the younger generation simply feel obliged to record, cos everyone does, and don't quite get what they are missing out on.

I also made the point that I reckon the phenomenon began when relatively portable camcorders became available, and indisputably the people spoiling their holidays in that case were predominantly middle-aged dads, not their kids, who were usually embarrassed by any recording.

I can understand why dads started doing this - they had just learned that they could do it, and aimed to create a permanent record of the holiday, but two pennies had not yet dropped:
(a) that you can't both record all the holiday AND fully participate in it; and
(b) that no fscker will ever want to watch your 20 hours of holiday video, ever, so you're actually wasting your time.

Both points are, with suitable adjustments, I think equally valid to recording concerts.

The early users of camcorders that I knew weren't recording events, they were recording their kid(s) at events. Kid(s) first birthday party, kid(s) on holiday, kid(s) first day at school etc. The dads didn't need to be participating anymore than when they were taking photographs of their kid(s).

Must admit I tried to do it when the Bulls were performing their lap of honour after the 2005 GF. The recording was crap so never felt tempted to repeat it, not that the Bulls have given me the opportunity.

Re: Life thru a lens : Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:18 pm  

This has brought back the memory of videoing the final match at the Boulevard. I didn't bother with recording any of the game, just the post-match celebrations/commiserations. Whilst filming my mate and his daughter, some jobsworth comes along and tells me "you shouldn't be doing that". My reply was, "so ban me from the ground, see if I care". All this came over on the audio and according to my mate, the geezer just shrugged his shoulders and walked off

Re: Life thru a lens : Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:15 am  

The Guardian wrote:

Bush's desire for her 22-night residency to be without the sea of phones, cameras and tablets to ensure she could have "contact" with her audience was also strictly adhered to, with a pre-show announcement requesting everyone turn off their mobiles and security guards patrolling throughout the performance.

Polite request my ar5e.

Of course having security patrol the theatre all those times never created a separation between Bush and her fans at all.

Re: Life thru a lens : Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:57 am  

However grouchy LGJM gets, the end result seems on most accounts to have been a spectacularly good evening:

Independent:

Accompanied by music ranging from polyphonic choral harmonies to folksy minstrels, it’s quite stunning, undoubtedly the most ambitious, and genuinely moving, piece of theatrical pop ever seen on a British stage.

Mirror:

This was an astounding triumph in ways that must have surprised even her most devoted followers.

New York Times:

The audience, still as stones during the music, stood to cheer whenever tiny between-song intervals allowed. After the full-band final encore, “Cloudbusting,” it would not leave until the tech crew arrived to dismantle the stage. “Thank you so much for such a wonderful, warm and positive response,” Ms. Bush said, with remarkable composure.

Sounds like they went to enormous lengths to immerse the audience in a total experience, and it was unspoiled by a thousand flashing iPhones. Well done Kate, whingers and cynics eat your hearts out

Re: Life thru a lens : Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:22 pm  

FA - As I've said, this has never been an issue at ANY concert I've ever been to. The nearest thing to an issue I've seen is the argument between security and a woman because she made a call to a friend and was holding the phone up to give the other person a listen. I couldn't GAF about the woman's phone call, but the argument with security was very off-putting. And no, I wasn't immersed in the concert anyway because I was only there for my wife.

So just out of interest how many concerts have you been to that were spoiled by iPhone and iPad wielders?