Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:09 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

I'm interested in the psychology of the reported suicide, the inquest was told yesterday by her husband that the lady in question was "normal" in every sense, had never suffered from depression, had never spoken of taking her own life at any time, was to all intents and purposes a perfect example of a nurse dedicated to her work - how does this change in the course of three days, do all of us have a trigger inside our heads that can be flipped by some event and make us suicidal, especially a medical person who is probably well aquainted with death in others and will know of many chemical ways to end there own (probably will have access to those methods too).

All that happened is that she was tricked into giving information on the phone, at worse she probably didn't follow procedure (if there was any in place), she should have got a bollacking, possibly a bit of retraining, there was absolutely no shame in her being tricked by a couple of radio presenters, so was she unfairly pressurised by her employer, did she feel that the whole of her career was in jeopardy - were there any procedures in place for handling those sort of calls which were inevitable given the status of the patient and what disciplinary events were started ?

Ultimately within three days things had got so bad for her that she killed herself - why ?

I'd imagine that she probably did suffer from some kind of depression caused by "other problems" and this was the final straw so to speak.
I don't think this wouldn't class her as "normal" as I think lots of people suffer huge amounts of stress/depression about/caused by issues in their lives and often suffer behind closed doors and don't tell anyone about it. I obviously don't know but that's what I'd guess at.

I just always find suicide such a sad issue. That someone feels so worthless that they feel the only option is to kill themselves. I know suicide has always happened and whatever society you live in there will always be situations where there will be suicides but I do think our society contributes toward it. A too often uncaring, cold and emotionless society especially at many workplaces where the individual does not matter, only what work is carried out and which targets are met etc.

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:28 am  

Standee wrote:

let them pay for it then, an inquest just makes parasites richer.

I suggest then you attend the next meeting of the Hillsborough families group and regale them with your view that the families should be paying for the inquest.

Or maybe you could start with Drummer Lee Rigby's family.

JURY FINDS SERIOUS FAILINGS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEATH OF 21 YEAR OLD STEVEN DAVISON AT HMP YOI GLEN PARVA
11 September 2014 -
Leicester Coroner’s Court, Leicester
Before Assistant Coroner Martin Gotheridge

A jury has concluded that Steven Davison died on 29th September 2013 whilst the balance of his mind was disturbed.

The jury recorded that Steven’s individual needs, risks and vulnerabilities were not properly assessed, understood or recorded between 25 and 29th September in line with the ACCT process. The jury was also critical of the lack of continuity in Steven’s care, that information was not passed on to the appropriate individuals, that the frequency and recording of observations was inadequate and that there was a failure to allocate Steven to a safer cell (a cell with no ligature points) which would have protected him and kept him safe.

Steve Davison was 21 years old when he was remanded to HMP YOI Glen Parva on 13 June 2013, for possession of an offensive weapon which he threatened to use cut his own throat. This was his first time in prison.

Steven had a long history of mental health issues, self harm and suicide attempts. He entered the prison system with a self harm and suicide warning form highlighting his risks. The initial assessing nurse did not consider Steven to be at risk of self harm or suicide despite this information.

Should Davison's family have paid for that inquest?

Do you actually know of a single person who shares your rabid view?

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:08 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Do you actually know of a single person who shares your rabid view?

No, because people are weak and always looking for someone to blame, that's how parasites make money.

LIFE HAPPENS, You can't always blame someone, she took her own life, her decision, tragic I agree, but HER OWN CHOICE

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:41 pm  

Standee wrote:

No, because people are weak and always looking for someone to blame, that's how parasites make money.

"People are weak"!

Classic! Not like you though, eh?

Standee wrote:

LIFE HAPPENS, You can't always blame someone,

So you concede that sometimes you CAN blame someone. Who decides? You? When did you get that job?

You also reveal that, despite railing against their existence, you don't actually understand the role of an inquest.

Nice double whammy! Keep going, we're getting a good insight into your head here.

Standee wrote:

she took her own life, her decision, tragic I agree, but HER OWN CHOICE

That's as may be, but do you actually think expressing this crass opinion adds to the discussion?

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:47 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

That's as may be, but do you actually think expressing this crass opinion adds to the discussion?

Not a crass opinion, an opinion, and it adds no more than a costly inquest.

She took her own life, for whatever reason, I see no reason to buy you a new BMW to figure out anything more, as I say, an opinion.

answer me this, what did you last achieve that made the world a better place?

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:50 pm  

Standee wrote:

Not a crass opinion, an opinion, and it adds no more than a costly inquest.

She took her own life, for whatever reason, I see no reason to buy you a new BMW to figure out anything more, as I say, an opinion.

answer me this, what did you last achieve that made the world a better place?

Showed you up.

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:59 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Showed you up.

what, for seeing vultures like you for the money grabbing people they are?

I ask again, what did you last do that was "good"?

I have every sympathy for those she left behind, I have suffered mental illness myself, but it didn't need hundreds of hours of prats in wigs and robes to discuss it, at no actual value to anyone but themselves.

if you put your boots on now, and warm a flask, you might get over yourself before Christmas

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:32 pm  

Standee wrote:

what, for seeing vultures like you for the money grabbing people they are?

You don't know me and you have no idea what I do, so as normal you're just on the wind-up, making wild claims, from a position of total ignorance. Just a wind-up merchant.

Standee wrote:

I ask again, what did you last do that was "good"?

Never, I am Satan and it is company policy to only do extreme evil.

Standee wrote:

I have every sympathy for those she left behind,

Sympathy? Don't make me laugh. You demonstrate as much sympathy for the bereaved as the average crocodile.

Standee wrote:

I have suffered mental illness myself, but it didn't need hundreds of hours of prats in wigs and robes to discuss it, at no actual value to anyone but themselves.

The inquest process is of immeasurable value to ordinary people, you know, those weak fools you so despise. Hundreds in Liverpool have spent decades of their lives fighting a seemingly hopeless cause to get inquests properly held over Hillsborough. Why do you think this is so?

It completely beats me how any rational person could suggest therefore that the inquest has "no value". It clearly hasn't for you, but then you've already conceded being in a minority of one.

In the case of your mental illness, the distinction you somehow missed is that you're not dead, and the prats weren't engaged in finding out how you came to die. Why would prats in wigs and robes have become involved in discussing your mental health?

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:32 pm  

A wise deletion Standee ....
lol

Re: Nurse Saldanha and the "prank call" : Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:53 pm  

Stand-Offish wrote:

A wise deletion Standee ....
lol

not worth getting into it, the last thing I want to be is disrespectful to the young woman.

I hate lawyers, they add no value, similar to Estate Agents...