Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:54 pm  

LeagueDweeb wrote:

It's not a matter of semantics. Or my reading & comprehension skills.

Everything to do, that and your strange need to deflect the thread and try to score points

LeagueDweeb wrote:

have you got anything to back up your claim that there is a shortage of these sort of places?

Of course. Do you actually think there isn't, though? I mean, what is the point of demanding I "back up" my "claim"? (Which was of course an observation in conversation, rather than a "claim") when I'd have thought you'd have a good idea that thousands of dogs have to be destroyed year on year as there is no rescue home accommodation for them? Is this something that has passed you by?

LeagueDweeb wrote:

Are we now to assume you meant nationally? Or did you mean in Manchester, or Bradford?

First, cut the "we" crap, you aren't speaking for anyone else, you're on your own with this oddball convo. Next, I take it that you now understand what I wrote? Well done.

LeagueDweeb wrote:

Your emotions are getting the better of you, it would seem.

"Seem"? To whom? On what possible basis? Meaningless nonsense. You've lost the plot!

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:34 am  

Is the fact the dogs are put down due to the cost of keeping them or a lack of space?

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:57 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Is the fact the dogs are put down due to the cost of keeping them or a lack of space?

Both.

The only reason that Dogs Trust manage to honour their "We never put a healthy dog to sleep" promise is because they do not have an open door to every stray that is picked up, its always a case of one out one in, fortunately they have a high rehoming level and there is a constant flow through the door - mainly terrier variations as is the current fashion...

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Is the fact the dogs are put down due to the cost of keeping them or a lack of space?

Does it matter? If otherwise healthy dogs are put down, either on cost of keeping grounds or for lack of space, it's the same thing, isn't it?

I mean, in the unlikely event that there are acres of rescue-dog cages that are there but never used, because the rescue centre can't afford to, then they might as well not be there at all, wouldn't you say?

FWIW most rescue centres are pretty much full, most of the time. Given that well in excess of 100,000 stray dogs are rounded up each year, that's not surprising. Of course the majority of these are not destroyed, in fact around 7% are destroyed, of which around half are not destroyed for behavioural issues or illness and as no rescue centre you might think would destroy the rest for no reason, probably the other half is a reasonable estimate of the number destroyed for lack of resources.

In the year to March 2014 around 1.300 strays were put to sleep in the general Yorkshire region.

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:48 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

...and as no rescue centre you might think would destroy the rest for no reason, probably the other half is a reasonable estimate of the number destroyed for lack of resources.

Depends on your definition of "rescue centre" though, I contribute some effort occasionally to a German Shepherd rescue group who fundraise to pay for commercial kennel space for GSD's that have been handed over for rehoming for a variety of reasons, such rescue groups would never destroy a healthy dog (and the one I am involved in don't even euthanise sick dogs unless its on vets advice) as its in direct conflict with their reason for being.

However part of the rescuing that happens involves other "rescue centres" which are really just holding centres for abandoned dogs, I almost hesitate to name the RSPCA as they aren't the only ones, but its fairly common to find an appeal made for funding for a GSD (in this instance) who is on a time limited stay in a "holding centre", generally recognised breeds will always go to dedicated breed rescue organisations but for the mongrols its often euthanasia simply because there is nowhere else to put them.

Its even worse in the USA where there are constant appeals to help dogs even from recognised breeds that have only days left before euthanasia.

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:17 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Depends on your definition of "rescue centre" though, I contribute some effort occasionally to a German Shepherd rescue group who fundraise to pay for commercial kennel space for GSD's that have been handed over for rehoming for a variety of reasons, such rescue groups would never destroy a healthy dog (and the one I am involved in don't even euthanise sick dogs unless its on vets advice) as its in direct conflict with their reason for being.

However part of the rescuing that happens involves other "rescue centres" which are really just holding centres for abandoned dogs, I almost hesitate to name the RSPCA as they aren't the only ones, but its fairly common to find an appeal made for funding for a GSD (in this instance) who is on a time limited stay in a "holding centre", generally recognised breeds will always go to dedicated breed rescue organisations but for the mongrols its often euthanasia simply because there is nowhere else to put them.

Its even worse in the USA where there are constant appeals to help dogs even from recognised breeds that have only days left before euthanasia.

Commonly known as "pounds". Most Council Dog Warden strays are put in this type of kennel facility. My Staffy/Collie was in the "pound" in Wakefield and was on her last day (7th day) and ready to be euthanised. West Yorkshire Dog Rescue stepped in. They don't have kennels, but instead have fosterers who will have the dog until a home is found regardless of length of time.

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:30 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Depends on your definition of "rescue centre"...

I wasn't aiming to write definitions. I'm talking about "them places where stray or unwanted dogs are taken for someone to decide what will become of them", if you like.

JerryChicken wrote:

Its even worse in the USA where there are constant appeals to help dogs even from recognised breeds that have only days left before euthanasia.

Indeed, I saw a recent programme about just that (Louis Theroux in LA) and there was pretty much a production line of dogs for destruction. The staff he spoke to had lengthy experience of the way it is, yet still shed a tear for the euthanased dogs, they never really got used to it. But they have such a predictable influx of new dogs, they know how many have to go per week to accommodate the newcomers.

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:38 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

:arrow: Everything to do, that and your strange need to deflect the thread and try to score points

Of course. Do you actually think there isn't, though? I mean, what is the point of demanding I "back up" my "claim"? (Which was of course an observation in conversation, rather than a "claim") when I'd have thought you'd have a good idea that thousands of dogs have to be destroyed year on year as there is no rescue home accommodation for them? Is this something that has passed you by?


First, cut the "we" crap, you aren't speaking for anyone else, you're on your own with this oddball convo. Next, I take it that you now understand what I wrote? Well done.

"Seem"? To whom? On what possible basis? Meaningless nonsense. You've lost the plot!

Yawn. You used a totally unsubstantited & unprovable claim to support your position. That you don't like being called out on this is your problem.

Good to see you still haven't substantiated your claim. Yawn.

Is it an observation or a claim that thousands of dogs are destroyed because there is no room for them? Any verifiable stats to back this up?

Thinking of getting a dog, where to go?

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:21 am  

LeagueDweeb wrote: Yawn. You used a totally unsubstantited & unprovable claim to support your position. That you don't like being called out on this is your problem. Good to see you still haven't substantiated your claim. Yawn. Is it an observation or a claim that thousands of dogs are destroyed because there is no room for them? Any verifiable stats to back this up? Thinking of getting a dog, where to go? http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... rama.shtml "Last year a third of all dogs taken in by Battersea Dogs & Cats Home were put down, BBC One's Panorama can exclusively reveal. In a special investigation to be aired tonight, reporter Tom Heap finds that irresponsible dog ownership is so out of hand that dog pounds and pet rescues across the UK are overflowing with strays. This crisis is being fuelled by the street fashion for aggressive looking dogs. The problem is now so acute that the RSPCA, Battersea Dogs & Cats Home and the Metropolitan Police in London want the Government and local governments to act." http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... -charities People are dumping their dogs like never before The animal-rescue charities are overwhelmed and 20 dogs are being put down in the UK every day" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... althy.html The charity insists the vast majority of the animals were put down to end their suffering, but it admits that last year alone 3,400 animals were destroyed for ‘non-medical’ reasons, such as the lack of space in kennels and catteries. HTH

LeagueDweeb wrote: Yawn. You used a totally unsubstantited & unprovable claim to support your position. That you don't like being called out on this is your problem. Good to see you still haven't substantiated your claim. Yawn. Is it an observation or a claim that thousands of dogs are destroyed because there is no room for them? Any verifiable stats to back this up? Thinking of getting a dog, where to go? http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... rama.shtml "Last year a third of all dogs taken in by Battersea Dogs & Cats Home were put down, BBC One's Panorama can exclusively reveal. In a special investigation to be aired tonight, reporter Tom Heap finds that irresponsible dog ownership is so out of hand that dog pounds and pet rescues across the UK are overflowing with strays. This crisis is being fuelled by the street fashion for aggressive looking dogs. The problem is now so acute that the RSPCA, Battersea Dogs & Cats Home and the Metropolitan Police in London want the Government and local governments to act." http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... -charities People are dumping their dogs like never before The animal-rescue charities are overwhelmed and 20 dogs are being put down in the UK every day" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... althy.html The charity insists the vast majority of the animals were put down to end their suffering, but it admits that last year alone 3,400 animals were destroyed for ‘non-medical’ reasons, such as the lack of space in kennels and catteries. HTH

Re: Manchester Dogs Home fire : Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:06 am  

LeagueDweeb wrote:

Yawn. You used a totally unsubstantited & unprovable claim to support your position. That you don't like being called out on this is your problem.

Good to see you still haven't substantiated your claim. Yawn.

Is it an observation or a claim that thousands of dogs are destroyed because there is no room for them? Any verifiable stats to back this up?

Your silly trolling has sunk to plumb new depths. Bored with it now.

LeagueDweeb wrote:

Thinking of getting a dog, where to go?

Maybe explore new depths with a long swim in the Everglades?