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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:48 pm  
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We’re planning on moving to Portugal.


Do you speak the lingo? Could be hard times ahead for that country.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:01 pm  
Dally wrote:
Do you speak the lingo?


We're learning the basics, we hope to pick it up better when we get out there.

Dally wrote:
Could be hard times ahead for that country.


Why, because I'm moving there? :wink:

We originally planned to move to Greece & look how that's turned out :lol: .
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:29 pm  
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Who's to say that if we Brexit you'll be allowed to move to Europe?

Free movement is a valuable thing that people (including our "expats" (don't dare call them immigrants) on the Costa del Sol) seem to avoid discussing even when they benefit themselves. The fact that I could go and work in any other member state, because it isn't all one way traffic, seems to escape people too.

It isn't as simple as just that but I would love the rest of the EU to require visas for Brits going on holiday and to kick out all those Daily Mail reading, ranting, hypocritical pensioners.

I'd be happy to see some serious reform of the EU overall that benefits each member state, but to go in unilaterally demanding changes is folly of the highest order. The fact that the ECJ, the ECHR and EU all seem to be conflated in the anti Europe rhetoric says a lot about those Brexiters too.

Will Cameron resign if he doesn't get his deal? We can but hope.


Our Expat pensioners in Spain cannot be compared with economic immigrants. That you cannot see they are polar opposites explains your narrow and unenlightened viewpoint. Pensioners that have moved to Spain are financially independent and give the local and national economy a big boost as they buy properties, furniture, food and they pay local taxes. They are appreciated by their local communities as they spend their pension income each month which helps the local business overcome the negative effects of being in the Euro. So far from wanting to kick them out they will fight hard to retain them.

Whereas the low paid EU workers that are keeping down wages in the UK have these same low paid incomes topped up with UK taxpayer money. Can you now spot the difference?

You could always have gone and worked in Europe long before the EU. This is not some advantage that has only arisen since the EU was formed.

You negative idea of Brits requiring visas would bring about a huge drop in the economies of those countries as we would spend our holiday money elsewhere. :USTUPID:
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:40 pm  
Schrodinger's Daily Mail puzzle :

"Immigrants - coming here to claim our benefits whilst also stealing our jobs ..."
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:45 pm  
Since the Referendum has now been set, should voting be restricted to those within the 36% turnout from the last MEP elections - since I assume the other 64% didn't really care either way ?
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:39 pm  
shinymcshine wrote:
Schrodinger's Daily Mail puzzle :

"Immigrants - coming here to claim our benefits whilst also stealing our jobs ..."

If you actually listened to the news you would realised the charade has largely been about IN WORK Benefits.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:40 pm  
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Since the Referendum has now been set, should voting be restricted to those within the 36% turnout from the last MEP elections - since I assume the other 64% didn't really care either way ?

More to the point will the several million migrant workers from other EU member states be allowed to vote? If so makes a mockery of the sovereignty angle.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:21 pm  
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If you actually listened to the news you would realised the charade has largely been about IN WORK Benefits.


Guess you get your news from the Mail or is it the Telegraph ?
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:43 pm  
One could argue that OAPs and ex-pats who live abroad, avoiding UK tax, that then return when they need medical care also a burden to the tax payer as well as immigrants.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:25 pm  
shinymcshine wrote:
Guess you get your news from the Mail or is it the Telegraph ?

Numerous sources, principally The Times and BBC but I read and listen widely.
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