Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:40 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

The irony of course, is that the 'progress' you speak of, is the exact same progress which has led to the grotesque wealth inequality you've challenged in the thread you started.

I disagree - all that unions are doing is making it more expensive for the average person to access the necessities of normal existence. They are blockers to progress - perhaps if they were more prepared to embrace new innovation and moving labour markets they might actually save more jobs.

Industry cannot stand still and it will always engineer people out of a process but it will also come up new products that need people to make them.

As I said were it a choice of cheaper tickets or a guard I guarantee most would opt for cheaper tickets.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:20 am  

Our economic system does a better job of protecting capital than of protecting workers. It is, after all, a capitalist system. A fairly extreme one, in practice and imo, but the one we’re familiar with, so it feels normal.

It should be at least as good to be born talented and hard-working as it is to be born wealthy.

Sal Paradise wrote:

Industry cannot stand still and it will always engineer people out of a process but it will also come up new products that need people to make them.

I’m not sure that is true. In our lifetimes maybe, but technology is changing the world ever faster. It could be an opportunity for universal incomes and a leisure revolution, as was optimistically imagined in the 1970s. Now there’s an assumption that the machines will be owned by a few dozen maladjusted Bond villain super capitalists, who will probably hunt the rest of us for sport.

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:41 am  

Or we just end up with more BS jobs... https://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

Or we just end up with more BS jobs... https://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:31 am  

There are already too many humans on the planet , eventually we will destroy it , then the cockroaches get their turn

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:14 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

There are already too many humans on the planet , eventually we will destroy it , then the cockroaches get their turn

You may well be correct - however the human race does have a propensity to survival - Maslow's first level, we have already seen decreases in birth rates in more sophisticated societies

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You may well be correct - however the human race does have a propensity to survival - Maslow's first level, we have already seen decreases in birth rates in more sophisticated societies

We (human beings) are too successful in breeding and survival for our own good and with greater numbers, increased life expectancy and the desire to consume more than to guy next door, this "success" will eventualy be our downfall.


Whilst some are still dying though starvation, others have greed which is just bloody horrible and they are happy to stuff themselves, whilst others die and spew out demands to "cut foreign aid" and "look after ourselves first".

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:27 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Our economic system does a better job of protecting capital than of protecting workers. It is, after all, a capitalist system. A fairly extreme one, in practice and imo, but the one we’re familiar with, so it feels normal.

It should be at least as good to be born talented and hard-working as it is to be born wealthy.

I’m not sure that is true. In our lifetimes maybe, but technology is changing the world ever faster. It could be an opportunity for universal incomes and a leisure revolution, as was optimistically imagined in the 1970s. Now there’s an assumption that the machines will be owned by a few dozen maladjusted Bond villain super capitalists, who will probably hunt the rest of us for sport.

If you look at the first generation of the truly wealthy the majority started with very little and they out-wealthed those that started with wealth for the very reason I stated if you stand still you will get passed by. There are exceptions Oligarchs and those in the middle east who own oil but they are in the minority. I would suggest its better to be born bright - the toffs need someone to invest in.


Compared to the industrial revolution not sure technology is moving faster what is moving very fast is medical science and this could be a real problem - is life expectancy going to be 120 in a hundred years?

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:59 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You may well be correct - however the human race does have a propensity to survival - Maslow's first level, we have already seen decreases in birth rates in more sophisticated societies

Civilisation as we know it cannot continue , the developing nations now see the wealth the west has and want their share of it , so it's irrelevant what sort of population stagnation happens in the west

Politicians hope that science can prevent it , but it won't , once the oil starts to go things will become very nasty

As I now think back at the amount of natural resources and waste I personally have gone through in my 58 years , it is frightening , we are a parasite sucking the life out of the planet

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:59 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I am a Tory voter

Why?

Re: Wealth re-distribution : Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:15 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

We (human beings) are too successful in breeding and survival for our own good and with greater numbers, increased life expectancy and the desire to consume more than to guy next door, this "success" will eventualy be our downfall.


Whilst some are still dying though starvation, others have greed which is just bloody horrible and they are happy to stuff themselves, whilst others die and spew out demands to "cut foreign aid" and "look after ourselves first".

These people you talk about all voted leave and their Facebook profile picture is of them, with “free Tommy” written underneath it