Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:54 am  

A lot of the left wing rhetoric on here is straight out of the left wing play book. On the same lines as only poor thick people don’t like foreigners and immigrants get the blame because of this.

I’d recommend watching a few Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and Christopher Hitchens videos to enlighten or red pill some of you.

To say the most diverse places voted to remain is an outright LIE! Boston, the highest voting leave area at 75% leave is probably the most European driven diverse place in the Country. How do you answer that?

And please don’t bring London into the equation, London is it’s own entity.

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:07 pm  

post wrote:

I’d recommend watching a few Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and Christopher Hitchens videos to enlighten or red pill some of you.

Christopher Hitchens is turning in his grave at being included on that list; he would have eviscerated Jordan Peterson, the same way he did his own significantly less intelligent and talented brother.

[Bullseye]

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:13 pm  

In my opinion it’s economic difficulties that have caused increased extremism to both left and right wing parties. The global recession was the cause. That’s the single shared circumstance across all countries.

The effects of that recession have been disastrous. As was the case in the 1930s people that are forced into poverty can reject politics of the centre as the reason they’re in this mess and become more susceptible to populists who provide easy answers.

We all saw where that led.

Unfortunately I can only see increased polarisation coming. Probably even more so after Brexit as the scapegoats of the EU will need replacing with others, probably the poor and the sick.

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:57 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

In my opinion it’s economic difficulties that have caused increased extremism to both left and right wing parties.

It’s funny our right wing non domicile billionaire owned media love to call left wing policy extreme, when in fact a majority of people are in favour of those very policies which are described as extreme.

For example the public strongly support the fundamental socialist principle of public ownership when it comes to police services (96%), schools (93%), the NHS (89%), the Royal Mail (76%), the railways (71%), the water companies (70%), and the energy companies (63%).

[Mild Rover]

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:04 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

It's been gradually getting worse since the 2008 financial crisis. Nations always become increasingly right wing after an economic shock.

Yep.

I think there's an element of focus on certain key floating voters in certain swing seats that have left a lot people disillusioned with centrist politics and drift to the fringes, as well.

[Mild Rover]

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:19 pm  

post wrote:

I’d recommend watching a few Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and Christopher Hitchens videos to enlighten or red pill some of you.

I think there's a separate issue around populism and polemicism. Whether it is angry middle-aged men on the right, or comedians like Boyle or Lee on the left, they do a decent job of making ideas accessible. However, these are not great thinkers. Boyle is funny though.

I'd recommend reading some books by non-celebrity authors. And avoiding the red pill metaphor. It sounds like you're recruiting to a cult.

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:44 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

I think there's a separate issue around populism and polemicism. Whether it is angry middle-aged men on the right, or comedians like Boyle or Lee on the left, they do a decent job of making ideas accessible. However, these are not great thinkers. Boyle is funny though.

I'd recommend reading some books by non-celebrity authors. And avoiding the red pill metaphor. It sounds like you're recruiting to a cult.

Two great books absolutely turned me off socialism, I’m sure you’ve read them yourself but 1984 and Animal Farm. If they don’t scare you away from the left and the way in which they are steering us then I don’t know what will.

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:32 pm  

post wrote:

Two great books absolutely turned me off socialism, I’m sure you’ve read them yourself but 1984 and Animal Farm. If they don’t scare you away from the left and the way in which they are steering us then I don’t know what will.

They are George Orwell books, he was a democratic socialist but opposed totalitarianism. The NHS is an example of socialism in action, do you oppose that?

[Mild Rover]

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:14 am  

post wrote:

Two great books absolutely turned me off socialism, I’m sure you’ve read them yourself but 1984 and Animal Farm. If they don’t scare you away from the left and the way in which they are steering us then I don’t know what will.

They are very fine books. Obviously though, not many on the left are advocating Stalinism, and I don't think resisting or trying to reverse the growth in inequality inevitably leads to it. 1984, I read more as being about totalitarianism generally, it was more of a fascistic dystopia in many ways.

The arguments put forward by Orwell in The Road to Wigan Pier are broadly of the left.

Re: The Right Wing & Rugby league : Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:19 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Oh, come on, the whole Brexit remit was to reduce immigration and control our own borders.
By dispensing with freedom of movement, necessarily, immigration (and emigration, at least from the EU nations, will reduce.

Of course, the irony in this is that, immigration will increase from outside the EU and some of those driving the anti EU agenda are massively in favour of this, for a whole host of reasons.

However, immigration was THE no 1 issue in the referendum and to pretend otherwise is somewhat misguided.

I wasn't going to reply to this as this post is not about Brexit and certainly my reply's have mostly included Brexit and therefore, would like to apologise to the original poster.
However, with respect to you and your post. I'm not sure the whole Brexit remit was about immigration, As the main slogan from the Official Leave campaign which many remain voters love reminding me of was the slogan on the Big Red Bus which was about the amount of money we sent weekly to the EU.

Certainly controlling our own borders with regards the EU and ending freedom of movement was a big part of the referendum result. I'm not sure why you say that immigration WILL increase from outside the EU as a result, the only possible reasons this would happen surely is because, people from the EU would not want to come here, then so be it, or if people from outside the EU would be better suited to what is on offer then again I say so be it.

Most of what I do post are my opinions as most of us don't actually know what will happen if we actually do leave the EU and by that fact you could be right in some of what you say. But in contrast reading your post, you do seem to know what is going to happen.