Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:10 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I cannot believe I have another who thinks they know the person I am. I am not a council tenant and I did not buy it from them either just to correct your initial assumptions. The reason I despised Thatcher I also worked out myself when I came across her work to stop the young by increasing the A level threshold which meant despite two years of hard work their results were lower and they struggled to enter university. I drag up something from so long ago because it was a sign of the person she was by taking the 1/3 pint of milk provided at school.
With regards Boris he is just the leader who keeps on giving the latest being money spent on unnecessary paintings. He is happy to approve a boat costing 250m + but doesn’t like funding children’s meals. The sleaze will continue to grow and once the shadow of the pandemic recedes people will finally start to take notice. I look forward to those so called red wall Conservatives going out to the destroyed mining towns to explain his pre planned joke about how they were sacrificed for the planet earth.

Did the coal mines return a profit and was it cheaper to import coal ?

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:15 pm  

chissitt wrote:

It did not stop you buying one though did it unless of course your still a council tenant, I can to a point understand your bitterness towards the Tory party as like a lot on this board grew up having Labour rammed down your throat, and because your parents and their parents voted Labour you feel the need to do the same out of false loyalty, but are you that desperate to bring up things from 40 plus years ago because having trotted out the same old, same old stuff about Boris your quickly running out of material, you need to seek help squire and get a life, go on liberate yourself you'll feel better for it, concentrate on Wakefield Trinity and how you can help them, give Michael Carter a ring and offer him some help and advice, far more satisfying and rewarding than trying to put the world to rights on here

That's the problem with this lot tho,you could stick a red rosette on a baboon and they'd still vote for it ,times have changed but not for this lot

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:35 am  

JONNYGIANT wrote:

That's the problem with this lot tho,you could stick a red rosette on a baboon and they'd still vote for it ,times have changed but not for this lot

Talking of rosettes on baboon, just how well is Boris doing these days.
There are plenty of "true blue" Tories that would vote for the proverbial stuffed pig in a blue jacket.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:47 am  

Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:47 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.

You may be right but, when inflation starts to rise and taxes also increase to pay for the pandemic, all those who were drawn in by the "levelling up" promise, will realise that they were sold (another) pup.
In the meantime It's up to Labour to sort themselves out and come up with some policies that have some appeal to the masses and not just bang on about those on benefits.
Of course "we" have to protect the poorest members of society but, there needs to be some "hope" for everyone.

The one certainty is that, should interest rates start to move, coupled with some tax increases, there will be a hell of a lot of people that feel the squeeze.

The national debt has pretty much doubled since 2007 and it will need to be brought down to a lower level.
Again, should interest rates rise, it will take some controlling.

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:20 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You may be right but, when inflation starts to rise and taxes also increase to pay for the pandemic, all those who were drawn in by the "levelling up" promise, will realise that they were sold (another) pup.
In the meantime It's up to Labour to sort themselves out and come up with some policies that have some appeal to the masses and not just bang on about those on benefits.
Of course "we" have to protect the poorest members of society but, there needs to be some "hope" for everyone.

The one certainty is that, should interest rates start to move, coupled with some tax increases, there will be a hell of a lot of people that feel the squeeze.

The national debt has pretty much doubled since 2007 and it will need to be brought down to a lower level.
Again, should interest rates rise, it will take some controlling.

People weren't drawn in by a leveling up promise ,itv was about Brexit and labours stance on it ,oh and that clown Corbyn and his shadow cabinet full of gompers

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:39 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Talking of rosettes on baboon, just how well is Boris doing these days.
There are plenty of "true blue" Tories that would vote for the proverbial stuffed pig in a blue jacket.

Not on this thread though eh

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:45 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.

Think the lib dems could gain support but they need another Charles Kennedy type as leader ,somebody who can get their message across,the tories need a credible opposition which ain't coming from Labour anytime soon

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:46 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Wakefield turning blue has shown that the generation has been reached that does not have a hard-wired memory of closing the coal mines. As soon as the heartlands reached the tipping point of being too young to specifically remember their core industries going (Its the same up in the North East just different industries), then their conservative instincts were there to exploit.

The lost labour wall are not going to suddenly have an epiphany and come back to Labour anytime soon. I don't have any sense that they regret their Conservative votes to any meaningful degree. However, as I've mentioned before there is a growing dissatisfaction with Johnson among his core traditional voters who feel, ironically, neglected and forgotten. Some of them will be going Liberal Democrat.

Think the lib dems could gain support but they need another Charles Kennedy type as leader ,somebody who can get their message across,the tories need a credible opposition which ain't coming from Labour anytime soon

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:49 pm  

And could anybody answer my question about the coal mines ,did they return a profit and was it cheaper to import coal