Re: Lest we forget : Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:14 am  

Soldiers in Blue wrote: You do realise that Hamas do not represent all Palestinians, only those in Gaza? The principle party in the West Bank is Fatah. To imply that "Palestinian Murder" and Hamas activities are one in the same is disingenuous. Hamas Murder would be a more accurate interpretation. I agree, thats why I've repeatedly reffered to Hamas, the reason it was 'Palestinian murder' is because Minty justifies the murder as acceptable because they are palestinian. WHen Minty talks about "The Zionist terrorists never poisoned wells, shot people in the back of the head, drove people from their homes etc etc." she is talking about the following types of activities: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/poisoning-the-village-wells-1.137154 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/23/palestinian-shot-by-israeli-forces-gaza http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/F3C5978B53AAD6C8852579E4004FECA7 Here to help : And? Is this supposed to justify the brave resistance warriors placing bombs on civilian buses and bravely running away? Or who these modern day homeric heros lobbing rockets at schools?

Soldiers in Blue wrote: You do realise that Hamas do not represent all Palestinians, only those in Gaza? The principle party in the West Bank is Fatah. To imply that "Palestinian Murder" and Hamas activities are one in the same is disingenuous. Hamas Murder would be a more accurate interpretation. I agree, thats why I've repeatedly reffered to Hamas, the reason it was 'Palestinian murder' is because Minty justifies the murder as acceptable because they are palestinian. WHen Minty talks about "The Zionist terrorists never poisoned wells, shot people in the back of the head, drove people from their homes etc etc." she is talking about the following types of activities: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/poisoning-the-village-wells-1.137154 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/23/palestinian-shot-by-israeli-forces-gaza http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/F3C5978B53AAD6C8852579E4004FECA7 Here to help : And? Is this supposed to justify the brave resistance warriors placing bombs on civilian buses and bravely running away? Or who these modern day homeric heros lobbing rockets at schools?

Re: Lest we forget : Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:04 pm  

They could deliver their bombs by unmanned drones, Apache helicopter's, smart rockets systems, satellite or any of the following F-15E Strike Eagle, F-15 Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, IAI Seascan, Eurocopter Panther etc...then that way there would never be any civilian deaths. In fact they would be able to insist that they do not target civilians and any deaths are unfortunate COLLATERAL DAMAGE

Re: Lest we forget : Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:40 pm  

No winners, only losers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20466027

No winners, only losers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20466027

[Kosh]

Re: Lest we forget : Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:45 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

No winners, only losers.

Correct. Shame both sides were shouting about 'victory' in the aftermath of the ceasefire announcement. With attitudes like that there's little hope.

Re: Lest we forget : Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:44 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Correct. Shame both sides were shouting about 'victory' in the aftermath of the ceasefire announcement. With attitudes like that there's little hope.

My point a few pages back, there is no hope when the crimes of the parents will paid for by the future generations of children, all the point scoring on here is just as pathetic, we as a nation are partly culpable just as others are

What this does show is you cannot control other nations and other groups of people , if they decide not to live together nobody will make them

Re: Lest we forget : Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:01 pm  

Possibly time for the "Ian Hunter Solution"?

Read Hunter's 1973 "Diary of a Rock & Roll Star" and you'll see his proposed solution to "The Irish Problem". Basically he suggested taking all Northern Irish kids away from their parents for two generations and bringing them up in an environment free from deep-seated, institutional hatred, then releasing them back back into society.

Re: Lest we forget : Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:30 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Possibly time for the "Ian Hunter Solution"?

Read Hunter's 1973 "Diary of a Rock & Roll Star" and you'll see his proposed solution to "The Irish Problem". Basically he suggested taking all Northern Irish kids away from their parents for two generations and bringing them up in an environment free from deep-seated, institutional hatred, then releasing them back back into society.

So long as Saudi arabia exits then there will never be a solution. I was working in saudi in 2008 when the Gaza war erupted.. All the saudi technicians were sat around the Tv watching it, whooping and cheering as the rockets were being fired into Israel. The funniest thing was when this Pakistani engineer turned up started working in the section where I was. He was joining in as well watching the missiles being fired. It all changed when he mentioned to the saudis about them going to Gaza to fight with the palestinians. He never turned up again. The Saudis are taught in school the Jews don't have a home. The arab governments may say they support the palestinians, but it's in words only. They don't want anything to do with them.

Re: Lest we forget : Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:15 am  

Thank goodness we're continuing to help arm the bunch of bonkers Medievalists in Saudi, then.

Re: Lest we forget : Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:20 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I agree, if someone were doing that, they would look ridiculous. As i havent seen anyone yet do that here, its just you looking ridiculous making excuses for murder...

You're doing a damned fine imitation of an Israeli apologist.

What you're doing is pretending that this is some sort of even struggle and that those naughty Muzzies are being naughty by lobbing rockets randomly.

Interestingly, you yet again ignore the question of just what you expect an imprisoned, bombed, shot at etc people to do.

Oh. That's right. Not lob a few rockets in frustration and anger. Just let themselves be bombed and persecuted and wait until these things stop. Because obviously the state of Israel fully intends to stop them and help create a two-state solution sometime, err, soon. Ish.

Re: Lest we forget : Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:01 pm  

Mintball wrote:

You're doing a damned fine imitation of an Israeli apologist.

What you're doing is pretending that this is some sort of even struggle and that those naughty Muzzies are being naughty by lobbing rockets randomly.

Interestingly, you yet again ignore the question of just what you expect an imprisoned, bombed, shot at etc people to do.

Oh. That's right. Not lob a few rockets in frustration and anger. Just let themselves be bombed and persecuted and wait until these things stop. Because obviously the state of Israel fully intends to stop them and help create a two-state solution sometime, err, soon. Ish.

If by magic a two state solution happened tomorrow and Israel conceded to Palestinian demands, do you think Hamas would stop attacks on Israel. I personally doubt it would make one iota of difference, they would still attack regularly until their aim of total annihilation was achieved.