Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:50 am  

Blood in the streets. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -the-crash https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5580360 Not the best photo Nigel.

Blood in the streets. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... -the-crash https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5580360 Not the best photo Nigel.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:48 pm  

Backwardsman wrote:

Reading the guardian again ?. Definitely not good for your health.

Cracking riposte & defence of Tory policy.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:56 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

A civil servant.
26-2
Those are the rules they signed up to and we've learned that the EU are excellent negotiators.

All sounds democratic to me.

Like Sepp Blatter and FIFA

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:53 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Cracking riposte & defence of Tory policy.

Thanks, much appreciated. Can’t remember mentioning anything about Tory policy though.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:48 am  

Where do we stand on "no deal is better than a bad deal".
Clearly, Mrs May's efforts are viewed as a bad deal (it looks like she will lose the vote by 50/60 votes ?), therefore, should we go for the dreaded "no deal".
Labour are pretending that they could somehow gain a mythical good deal if they were in power and negotiating but this seems nothing more than fake news.
Therefore we have 3 options:

No deal
Bad deal
Remain in the EU

Even as a staunch remainer, I'm not happy with the though of a second referendum, it will just muddy the waters further and prolong the agony and uncertainty that we have endured for the last 2+ years (and we still haven't toughed the actual trade deal).

Although the Brexitiers, full of bravado say that we should "just get out" with no deal, there seems consensus on all sides that this will most likely throw us back into a recession or, very close to it and it looks to be the worst economic outcome (at least in the short/medium term).

So what next ?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:52 am  

Backwardsman wrote:

Can’t remember mentioning anything about Tory policy though.

No, it's indefensible.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:45 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So what next ?

Who knows?

Cameron really did let the genie out of the bottle didn't he?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:11 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Where do we stand on "no deal is better than a bad deal".
Clearly, Mrs May's efforts are viewed as a bad deal (it looks like she will lose the vote by 50/60 votes ?), therefore, should we go for the dreaded "no deal".
Labour are pretending that they could somehow gain a mythical good deal if they were in power and negotiating but this seems nothing more than fake news.

May's deal is viewed as a 'bad deal' by anyone whose personal view of Brexit doesn't quite match, and who is not willing to show any compromise. Oh look, politicians.

Labour are so full of shieete it's untrue. They 'respect' Brexit. They won't back the deal, which will most likely drive us to no deal. They want a General Election. They think they can somehow drive a harder bargain with the EU. I've never wanted to punch a politician so much as listening to John McDonald over the last few days. The lies spewing forth are dizzying.

Could you imagine if Diane Abbott was on the negotiating team? "We propose reducing tariffs on these items to 2.5%...erm Jeremy what's a percent?"

Therefore we have 3 options:

No deal
Bad deal
Remain in the EU

It's no deal or this deal. That much has been made clear. Yes, theoretically you could cancel Article 50 but no government would risk that, they'd be out of office quicker can you could say "Merkel you stupid munter".

Although SOME Brexitiers, full of bravado say that we should "just get out" with no deal, there seems consensus on all sides that this will most likely throw us back into a recession or, very close to it and it looks to be the worst economic outcome (at least in the short/medium term).

Edited for accuracy. Getting out with no arrangement is idiotic. As I've said for years now, a reasonable deal is the best bet, allowing us to extricate ourselves from the EU and still work and trade with them.

Which is why we should all be very concerned right now. Politicians across the spectrum have abandoned their promises to 'respect' anything - they're too busy looking for opportunity in the chaos, and doing their best to bring down the government - and they don't care if we get a deal or not in the process as long as they come out of it smelling of roses. Wigan's omnipresent TV MP Lisa Nandy is a prime example.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:59 am  

The biggest problem in this whole process has been the quality of the negotiating on our side - shambolic at best incompetent at worst.

The EU were never going to maintain the status quo and us not pay in but to have a deal whereby the EU decide when we can leave is a deal no one should back unless you don't actually want to leave e.g. the majority of MPs, Wrencat, Tigertot etc.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:04 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The biggest problem in this whole process has been the quality of the negotiating on our side - shambolic at best incompetent at worst.

The EU were never going to maintain the status quo and us not pay in but to have a deal whereby the EU decide when we can leave is a deal no one should back unless you don't actually want to leave e.g. the majority of MPs, Wrencat, Tigertot etc.

WRONG


The biggest problem is just how little thought went into a "leave" result after the referendum, leaving us flapping about like the proverbial fish out of water and thus, weakening our position when entering negotiations and our inability to gain very much from those negotiationa (and teh trade deal is still to come)

Also, despite the referendum result, most MP's are strill "remaines" at heart and they just dont seem comfortable leaving the EU, making negotiating an almost impossible task, just as it would have nbeen for Labour.
Having said that, Labour, had they been in power, wouldnt have had to pander to Farage & co in the first place.

The Tory elite have cause the mess, followed dutifully by the masses who voted leave (the irony is just pitiful) and although the EU may end up with a slifghtly looser grip on the UK, we will still be largely dancing to their tune, whilst pretending that we have control.
Immigration from outside the EU is already growing, making the pre referendum rhetoric a total nonsense.