Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:14 pm  

Damo-Leeds wrote:

Just been on a three day drinking session.

Part-timer.

Emmas gonna get you.

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:38 pm  

Damo-Leeds wrote:

Just been on a three day drinking session and totally forgotten and missed my appointment with Remploy in the process. I’m normally a really organised person and would remember appointments but the way Remploy treated me last time by using me as a slave at ASDA they deserve some messing about with.

With bait like that you must be expecting a pretty big haul lad.

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:16 pm  

tb wrote:

GPs - in La La Lansley's world, they're qualified to manage £80bn of the NHS budget, but not qualified to judge whether someone is sick ...

Quite.

The idea of GPs rationing health care is laughable. They don't even know about the treatments available for more complex conditions so how could they make reasonable decisions?

As to sick notes - they seem to sign them if people ask, without question. There must be other situations were they sign them even if the patient would prefer to go to work. I've only heard the headlines, but who will be judging instead? It's not going to be more qualified doctors as they have better things to do. In which case it'll be less qualified people, which would be outright dangerous.

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:25 pm  

Dally wrote:

Quite.

The idea of GPs rationing health care is laughable. They don't even know about the treatments available for more complex conditions so how could they make reasonable decisions?

As to sick notes - they seem to sign them if people ask, without question. There must be other situations were they sign them even if the patient would prefer to go to work. I've only heard the headlines, but who will be judging instead? It's not going to be more qualified doctors as they have better things to do. In which case it'll be less qualified people, which would be outright dangerous.

A government appointed 'independant' panel.

So probably someone like Atos. That should be fun.

My GP and consultant are already furious that Atos and the DWP can, and have, completely disregarded their reports. I can just imagine how chuffed the GP is going to be now the government are basically saying he's either too thick to realise when people are at it or too lazy/corrupt to be bothered.

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:29 pm  

Dally wrote:

Quite.

The idea of GPs rationing health care is laughable. They don't even know about the treatments available for more complex conditions so how could they make reasonable decisions?

As to sick notes - they seem to sign them if people ask, without question. There must be other situations were they sign them even if the patient would prefer to go to work. I've only heard the headlines, but who will be judging instead? It's not going to be more qualified doctors as they have better things to do. In which case it'll be less qualified people, which would be outright dangerous.

Probably the shambles of a company called ATOS. This system is already happening to qualify for ESA. You are assesed by a medical assesor, that could be a doctor, nurse or physiotherapist, luck of the draw whether they are familiar with your condition. You are asked computer based questions without the right to reply about how your condition affects you in relation to what they've just asked. Nail on the head with dangerous, I don't usually agree with you or the paper you insist is the voice of the nation but even your beloved Daily Mail readers are in disagreement on this one!

My GP would issue me with a sick note straight away because he is aware of my condition, my treatments, my surgeries, my physical limitations, the side effects of drugs I'm taking etc, etc and to have someone with no knowledge of any of that is wrong and as you point out, dangerous.

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:32 pm  

Dear GP,

Here is an £80m budget, you are responsible enough to deal with it yourself and decide where it should be spent.

Yours
Andrew Landsley

PS. As you can't be trusted to see when your patient is well, you can't sign anyone off any more.

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:48 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Probably the shambles of a company called ATOS. This system is already happening to qualify for ESA. You are assesed by a medical assesor, that could be a doctor, nurse or physiotherapist, luck of the draw whether they are familiar with your condition. You are asked computer based questions without the right to reply about how your condition affects you in relation to what they've just asked. Nail on the head with dangerous, I don't usually agree with you or the paper you insist is the voice of the nation but even your beloved Daily Mail readers are in disagreement on this one!

My GP would issue me with a sick note straight away because he is aware of my condition, my treatments, my surgeries, my physical limitations, the side effects of drugs I'm taking etc, etc and to have someone with no knowledge of any of that is wrong and as you point out, dangerous.

It's a price worth paying

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:52 pm  

Mintball wrote:

And as countless surveys have shown, everyone apart from those at the very top, have seen their incomes fall against the rising cost of living over the last 30 years.

Do you have any links to any of these surveys?

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:09 pm  

Sandra The Terrorist wrote:

With bait like that you must be expecting a pretty big haul lad.

This is no bait at all and just the truth.

As it happens I’m at the job centre on Wednesday and I shall show them this guardian article and request that I get fully paid for my slave labour at ASDA which lasted for five weeks.

I’m also going to recommend that the staff at the job centre do the decent thing and refuse to send clients to these private contracts on moral grounds. If anyone can stop this from happening it is them because they’re the ones who sign off clients to these poverty pimps. Just doing their job I suppose.

Re: State Sponsored Slavery : Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:21 am  

SBR wrote: Do you have any links to any of these surveys? All you could start with The Spirit Level, which examines in admittedly dry fashion the results of widening income gaps. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/mark ... idens.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8481534.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... ain-report http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13663778 http://www.neweconomics.org/projects/income-inequality Not just in the UK: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html

SBR wrote: Do you have any links to any of these surveys? All you could start with The Spirit Level, which examines in admittedly dry fashion the results of widening income gaps. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/mark ... idens.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8481534.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... ain-report http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13663778 http://www.neweconomics.org/projects/income-inequality Not just in the UK: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html