Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:16 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Is. It. Over. Yet?

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Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:07 pm  

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25358064 I presume that the taxi is the silver vehicle in middle near the kerb hemmed in by a dark car to the rear, onother to the side and a silver one to the front that has mounted the kerb. Duggan's body can be seen covered by a red sheet. The taxi driver said that he heard firing from the front which would suggest that Duggan was shot by someone from the silver car. With the door in the way as Duggan decamped would he have had a shot and it looked like he was heading off to the left, wouldn't he be shot in the back more likely than the chest? I'm not so sure how the taxi driver would know where the shots came from anyway, but that what he said. Can anyone enlighten me to the events? Was he shot by someone from the rear car?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25358064 I presume that the taxi is the silver vehicle in middle near the kerb hemmed in by a dark car to the rear, onother to the side and a silver one to the front that has mounted the kerb. Duggan's body can be seen covered by a red sheet. The taxi driver said that he heard firing from the front which would suggest that Duggan was shot by someone from the silver car. With the door in the way as Duggan decamped would he have had a shot and it looked like he was heading off to the left, wouldn't he be shot in the back more likely than the chest? I'm not so sure how the taxi driver would know where the shots came from anyway, but that what he said. Can anyone enlighten me to the events? Was he shot by someone from the rear car?

Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:26 pm  

Wire Yed wrote:

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Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:38 pm  

Also, what exactly happens to the evidence presented, I mean can it all be viewed.
Or is that a no no?

Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:22 pm  

Stand-Offish wrote:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25358064
I presume that the taxi is the silver vehicle in middle near the kerb hemmed in by a dark car to the rear, onother to the side and a silver one to the front that has mounted the kerb.
Duggan's body can be seen covered by a red sheet.

The taxi driver said that he heard firing from the front which would suggest that Duggan was shot by someone from the silver car.

With the door in the way as Duggan decamped would he have had a shot and it looked like he was heading off to the left, wouldn't he be shot in the back more likely than the chest?

I'm not so sure how the taxi driver would know where the shots came from anyway, but that what he said.

Can anyone enlighten me to the events?

Was he shot by someone from the rear car?

The taxi was a Toyota Previa. It's the big "soccer mom" type minivan. Duggan was in the back. The Previa has sliding rear doors.

I presume that Duggan started legging it to the rear of the taxi and was almost instantly met with an armed officer from the rear car.

There was a report of him texting his brother minutes before he was killed that there was a green BMW police van who were going to pull him.

I'd imagine that if the cop from the front car had shot Duggan the taxi driver would have seen it.

Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:18 am  

I hope that the taxi driver put a claim in for his lost taxi fare.

Looking at this scene, it looks like Duggan ran headlong into an officer and severely minimised his chances of survival.
I'm surprised he didn't vault the fence and try to leg it over the field.

I think the taxi driver must have meant that there were shots from the front Of Duggan, which would have been consistent.

Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:23 am  

Stand-Offish wrote:

I'm surprised he didn't vault the fence and try to leg it over the field.

He was getting Bonnie & Clyde-ed whatever course of action he was choosing.

Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:03 am  

Stand-Offish wrote:

I'm surprised he didn't vault the fence and try to leg it over the field.

I think the first thing he needed to do when he started legging it from the car was getting rid of the gun. If he gets rid of the gun and is then tackled straight after then he can loudly should police brutality and racism and hope that none of the cops see him throw the gun over the wall.

He was about 10ft away from the end of the wall when he was shot. After that there was the clear field and pathways. I think the clear run to the field is a better target to run to that looking to vault the railings, especially as think both Duggan and the cops will have been getting out of their vehicles before they had even stopped.

Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:28 am  

In terms of some of what has been discussed, this is interesting. The Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police is to be prosecuted for safety breaches after an unarmed man was shot dead in Cheshire.

In terms of some of what has been discussed, this is interesting. The Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police is to be prosecuted for safety breaches after an unarmed man was shot dead in Cheshire.

Re: The Mark Duggan verdict. : Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:42 am  

Stand-Offish wrote: Also, what exactly happens to the evidence presented, I mean can it all be viewed. Or is that a no no? Only just looked for this, so don't know how useful... http://dugganinquest.independent.gov.uk/

Stand-Offish wrote: Also, what exactly happens to the evidence presented, I mean can it all be viewed. Or is that a no no? Only just looked for this, so don't know how useful... http://dugganinquest.independent.gov.uk/