Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 11:00 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

I think Johnson is the political equivalent a jolly fat bloke selling us a doughnut for our lunch, while Labour is a thin lass with a thin smile and a pitying look in her eye offering us a chicken salad. Life is hard and a lot of people think ‘stuff it, let’s have a treat’, and worry about the weight gain, blood pressure and pre-diabetes later.

Even if we point out that the jolly fat bloke keeps the change without asking, that’s ‘just Boris’ and y’know... doughnuts!

I never thought of anyone on here you would be in denial - life is a very strange thing and never ceases to amaze me.

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 11:02 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Grow up - where did I ever say that I am more patriotic than you - stop making stuff up.
...
I had this argument with you all through the Brexit stuff - your view was we are not able to survive outside of the EU -

Tells me to stop making stuff up.
Makes stuff up in pretty much the next sentence.
Well done old boy.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 12:26 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I never thought of anyone on here you would be in denial - life is a very strange thing and never ceases to amaze me.

What do you think I’m in denial about?

Are you suggesting that Johnson is better than that and offers genuine hope for a better future?

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 1:14 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Are you suggesting that Johnson is better than that and offers genuine hope for a better future?

I can't get my head around the voters who have 'priced in the lies' but still believe Johnson will deliver on his levelling-up agenda, the new hospitals, the new nurses, the new police officers... Do they think he's only lying to other people?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 2:00 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

I can't get my head around the voters who have 'priced in the lies' but still believe Johnson will deliver on his levelling-up agenda, the new hospitals, the new nurses, the new police officers... Do they think he's only lying to other people?

I honestly don’t get it - he has something that I am completely blind to. And it is very hard to work out how to beat something you don’t understand!

It doesn’t seem to be a positive vote - nobody can straight-facedly say anything positive about him, but it doesn’t just seem to be a negative pooping in the pool or anti-Labour thing, either.

I’m clearly massively out of touch. I’ve tried - I’ve watched lots of Jeff Taylor videos on YouTube. I don’t want to just dismiss it as a national emotional and intellectual meltdown because that feels lazy. But I can’t come up with anything better. maybe it is like that dress from a few years ago that was blue and black, or white and gold. Maybe some people see Boris Johnson as talented, interesting and wise, and it is just another state of perception. But then, why does nobody ever say it?

It is almost funny.

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 2:18 pm  

All I ever hear is, "Labour no longer understand the working class", but when you ask how the Tories do you just get some intangible benefits about loving the country and waving the Union Jack. Maybe it really is that simple...?

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 2:50 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

All I ever hear is, "Labour no longer understand the working class", but when you ask how the Tories do you just get some intangible benefits about loving the country and waving the Union Jack. Maybe it really is that simple...?

My Sister in law & brother in law are the same.
Constantly on Facebook - Posting "Go on Boris - You show em". and stuff like that
Whilst at the same time complaining about the country, the police, the NHS, the Schools and that "You can't say anything these days!"

In one instance mid last year I was having a conversation about the Pandemic, The PPE situation, The mixed messaging, Dominic cummins,Track & Trace which were all, in her words, Awful!
I then proceeded to tell her about Johnson missing Cobra meetings, his words about Shaking Hands with everyone, His announcement at the Tory Party donors address (He didn't miss that like he missed the Cobra meetings did he!) and other stuff that led to those issues and she said "Oh I don't know, I quite like him" - I asked Why? She said "I don't know"

No perception that any of the issues that are Plaguing the country today are anything to do with Boris, anything to do with the Tory's etc. and no tangible description of anything that the Tory's/Boris are doing to improve the situation.

Baffling

Prepares for "What About, What About, What About" responses

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 3:04 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Prepares for "What About, What About, What About" responses

Blair, Iraq, Corbyn loves the IRA...

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 3:06 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

Blair, Iraq, Corbyn loves the IRA...

Don't forget Diane Abbott!

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri May 07, 2021 3:51 pm  

A lot appear to have voted based on the positivity they feel now with the vaccination rollout and the release of restrictions. They forget what came before it or the fact that the Conservatives have been in power for 11 years.
I actually think some do not believe Johnson’s Conservatives are the same Conservative party that proceeded him as leader.