Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:33 am  

IR80 wrote:

knock back all you want, you seem to have way more time free than those gainfully employed.

Think again.
I've been in FT employment since I was 17 years old

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:09 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Well, having had "Chicken Johnson" a few weeks ago, it seems that this too is contagious.

Despite priding themselves on being the party best able to control the public purse strings, it seems like Johnsons right hand man, Sajid Javed, is now unwilling to go head to head with John McDonnel to debate each of the main party's spending plans.

Having created a fake headline of "Labours £1.2 trillion spending spree", which has now been proven to be a totally made up figure and with Tories allowing their own spending plan to be "costed" through the same mechanism. Javid has bottled the planned live debate.

To quote Led Zeppelin "lying, cheating, hurting, that's all you seem to do".

I dont like Corbyn but, when it comes to honesty, he's a very long way in front of this shower.

The Tories cant tell you what their spending will cost but, they are happy to completely fabricate figures for their opponents and then try and tell people that these numbers are correct.
Maybe our current chancellor cant add up, which you would have thought was a pre requisite for the job that he's been given.

Nobody knows as yet what each party will spend - Labour have committed to £450bn before any cost of re-nationalisation. All the Tories have done is take every pledge since 2017 and add them up. It is the same as Labour saying a deal with the US will cost £500m a week in extra cost of medicines.

Corbyn is suggesting McDonald's workers need to be paid £15 hour - so if you scale that up across the whole UK workforce how much will that cost!!

I would be very surprised if the Tories spending is not fully costed in their manifesto - if not its a huge mistake.

My concern is to Corbyn/McDonald/Lansman this is just a huge experiment and bit of a project

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:11 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

One thing that does puzzle me is, that despite this being a Westminster Election and that the Brexit Party has no MP's, Farage seems to get a hell of a lot of publicity. You could be forgiven for thinking that someone at BBC HQ has some kind of personal agenda ?

Virtually everyone at the BBC voted to remain - suggest the only agenda is to discredit Farage and the leave vote.

As for bias - anyone watch C4 news a more Labour supporting news program you will not view.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:12 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I would be very surprised if the Tories spending is not fully costed in their manifesto - if not its a huge mistake.

They didn't bother last time - they seem to have invested all their time and energy into costing the Labour one. Incorrectly.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:09 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Nobody knows as yet what each party will spend - Labour have committed to £450bn before any cost of re-nationalisation. All the Tories have done is take every pledge since 2017 and add them up. It is the same as Labour saying a deal with the US will cost £500m a week in extra cost of medicines.

Interesting reply, Sal.

I'm not arguing with what the Tories have done and that this STORY was dutifully slapped on the front page of every right leaning journal.
The issue is that, when asked if we could apply the same criteria to calculate Tory spending, they said NO, because it wouldn't be right to put a figure on their own spending before their manifesto was published (which will be just 2 weeks before the election).

If it is wrong to apply THE SAME criteria to their spending plans, it must be equally wrong to use that criteria (and then some) in the first instance.

I was ok with the wild calculation on one side, but they had to then use the same means to "test" their own mounting spending pledges.

The fact that the few Tory politicians that have been questioned about this have wiggled and writhed about like a freshly landed Haddock, I think, tells you how they have been found out (again). Lies, lies and more damn lies.

Much as Labour's "grand plan" will be hugely expensive, it would be prudent to wait and see just how much of their plan is to be considered for this Parliament, dont you think ?

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:10 pm  

bren2k wrote:

They didn't bother last time - they seem to have invested all their time and energy into costing the Labour one. Incorrectly.

Correct and they haven't yet produced a manifesto

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:04 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I do worry about his grasp of basic Mathematics.

Having shipped out the long serving moderate Tories, we are now left with a bunch of incompetent compulsive liars, very much in the mould of their leader.
It's up to the rest of us to call them out.
If this wasn't such an important election, which will be pivotal in our kids futures, it would be quite amusing but, this is serious.

Here is one Tory calling out his own party. Sadly most will look after number 1 and screw the country.

Former justice secretary David Gauke says a Conservative majority at the upcoming election would be a "bad outcome for the country".
Mr Gauke - who confirmed he will run as an independent in 12 December poll - was among the MPs expelled from the Tories by Boris Johnson after he voted against a no-deal Brexit.
He said a majority led by Mr Johnson would mean a "very hard Brexit".

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:16 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Here is one Tory calling out his own party. Sadly most will look after number 1 and screw the country.

Former justice secretary David Gauke says a Conservative majority at the upcoming election would be a "bad outcome for the country".
Mr Gauke - who confirmed he will run as an independent in 12 December poll - was among the MPs expelled from the Tories by Boris Johnson after he voted against a no-deal Brexit.
He said a majority led by Mr Johnson would mean a "very hard Brexit".

If Boris gains a large majority either with Tories or part of a Brexit-con alliance, we WILL be leaving with no deal at the end of 2020, when we will be told that the nasty EU wouldn't agree the trading agreement in the allotted time.

It's quite strange how Boris tells us how quickly he can get things done but, they wont release the papers on Russian interference during UK elections/referendum.
Apparently, despite being almost finished, this will take 6 weeks to publish, coincidentally, just after we've had the election.
Any cynics out there may believe that there was something to hide.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:59 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If Boris gains a large majority either with Tories or part of a Brexit-con alliance, we WILL be leaving with no deal at the end of 2020, when we will be told that the nasty EU wouldn't agree the trading agreement in the allotted time.

It's quite strange how Boris tells us how quickly he can get things done but, they wont release the papers on Russian interference during UK elections/referendum.
Apparently, despite being almost finished, this will take 6 weeks to publish, coincidentally, just after we've had the election.
Any cynics out there may believe that there was something to hide.

have you started giving any thought to how you are going to fill the void in your life once we have a majority Conservative government and Mr Hezbullah has gone on the lecture circuit?

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:11 pm  

McDonnell yesterday, "I want to be Chancellor of the Exchequer, but I want to live at home. I don't want No.11 to sit empty so we'll give it to someone who needs it...I'll still use part of it as an office but I don't want it to sit empty so we'll give (the vacant flat) it to a homeless family." Oh get fecked McDonnell, shove yer virtue signalling up yer коммунист жопа, товарищ.

Today, question to Corbyn, "how will you vote in your proposed second referendum...I think it's only right the people know how their Prime Minister will vote."
Corbyn, (after a bit of meaningless waffle)..."I think it's a stupid question."

And then he tried to convince one lot of Scots he won't offer a second referendum...while later trying to appeal to the other lot by saying he will at some point.

And people trust Corbyn?