Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:56 pm  

Cronus wrote:

McDonnell yesterday, "I want to be Chancellor of the Exchequer, but I want to live at home. I don't want No.11 to sit empty so we'll give it to someone who needs it...I'll still use part of it as an office but I don't want it to sit empty so we'll give (the vacant flat) it to a homeless family." Oh get fecked McDonnell, shove yer virtue signalling up yer коммунист жопа, товарищ.

Today, question to Corbyn, "how will you vote in your proposed second referendum...I think it's only right the people know how their Prime Minister will vote."
Corbyn, (after a bit of meaningless waffle)..."I think it's a stupid question."

And then he tried to convince one lot of Scots he won't offer a second referendum...while later trying to appeal to the other lot by saying he will at some point.

And people trust Corbyn?

Yeah but, Boris would just give the first answer that came into his head and then walk away and forget about it
Clearly, nobody is going to give a flat in No 11 to anyone though.

Maybe he could meet Sajid Javed there fro a chat, as he's gone all camera shy

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:59 pm  

Cronus wrote:

And people trust Corbyn?

This is an election where lots of people will have to vote for the least worst option. And for many, including me, that possibly means Corbyn - I'm still pondering whether I'll need to vote Labour for the first time to avoid any chance of the Tories getting back in.

Johnson and the rump of his party's lies, deception, threats, denial of any responsibility for the mess they've made and their extremism mean they are too much of a danger to the country to do anything else. They are a long way from the party I used to vote for.

Re: General Election campaign : Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:24 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Interesting reply, Sal.

I'm not arguing with what the Tories have done and that this STORY was dutifully slapped on the front page of every right leaning journal.
The issue is that, when asked if we could apply the same criteria to calculate Tory spending, they said NO, because it wouldn't be right to put a figure on their own spending before their manifesto was published (which will be just 2 weeks before the election).

If it is wrong to apply THE SAME criteria to their spending plans, it must be equally wrong to use that criteria (and then some) in the first instance.

I was ok with the wild calculation on one side, but they had to then use the same means to "test" their own mounting spending pledges.

The fact that the few Tory politicians that have been questioned about this have wiggled and writhed about like a freshly landed Haddock, I think, tells you how they have been found out (again). Lies, lies and more damn lies.

Much as Labour's "grand plan" will be hugely expensive, it would be prudent to wait and see just how much of their plan is to be considered for this Parliament, dont you think ?

Completely agree - hopefully all sides will properly cost their spending plans - to not do would be a huge mistake.

Ashworth was once again destroyed by Andrew Neil last night as was the idiot from the SNP. If McDonald's aspiration is for an average 32 hour working week but that excludes the 1m employees in the NHS - two things then become obvious: Why would anyone want to work longer hours for the honour of working in the NHS and secondly some people will be working less hours if the average is to be maintained.

This is why I say Corbyn/McDonald/Lansman are playing a high stakes game - the ramifications of there policies have simply not been thought through. The £15/hr for workers at McDonalds!!

Re: General Election campaign : Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:06 pm  

Hospital waiting times at worst-ever level

A vote for the conservatives is a vote against the nhs

Hospital performance in England is at its worst level on record, data shows.
Key targets for cancer, hospital care and A&E have been missed for over three years - with delays for hospital care and in A&E hitting their highest levels since both targets were introduced

Re: General Election campaign : Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:55 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Hospital waiting times at worst-ever level

A vote for the conservatives is a vote against the nhs

Hospital performance in England is at its worst level on record, data shows.
Key targets for cancer, hospital care and A&E have been missed for over three years - with delays for hospital care and in A&E hitting their highest levels since both targets were introduced

Performance is not great - that's down to the likes of Hammond who everyone gave Boris a load of stick for getting rid of. He starved the NHS hopefully the Tories have learned a lesson - time will tell

Re: General Election campaign : Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:13 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Performance is not great - that's down to the likes of Hammond who everyone gave Boris a load of stick for getting rid of. He starved the NHS hopefully the Tories have learned a lesson - time will tell

So you're trying to suggest Hammond was some sort of rogue agent who starved the NHS of funding against the wishes of all other Conservatives?

Nice try but nobody's going to fall for that one
If this becomes an election about the NHS rather than Brexit then the Conservative party will not get a majority.

Re: General Election campaign : Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:30 pm  

Labour pledges free broadband for all ...by part-nationalising BT (despite saying BT weren't on their 'list' only a few months ago), creating a new company and taxing tech giants to run it. Do they actually listen to themselves? We'll all be paying a 90% tax rate after a few years if this lot get into No.10. Actually, quick, someone tell McDonnell about Steak & Blowjob Day...you never know, it could become law.

Labour pledges free broadband for all ...by part-nationalising BT (despite saying BT weren't on their 'list' only a few months ago), creating a new company and taxing tech giants to run it. Do they actually listen to themselves? We'll all be paying a 90% tax rate after a few years if this lot get into No.10. Actually, quick, someone tell McDonnell about Steak & Blowjob Day...you never know, it could become law.

Re: General Election campaign : Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:55 am  

Cronus wrote: Labour pledges free broadband for all ...by part-nationalising BT (despite saying BT weren't on their 'list' only a few months ago), creating a new company and taxing tech giants to run it. Do they actually listen to themselves? We'll all be paying a 90% tax rate after a few years if this lot get into No.10. Actually, quick, someone tell McDonnell about Steak & Blowjob Day...you never know, it could become law. I like your last idea, finally something we can agree on The GE bidding war is utterly ridiculous but, dare I say that those same tactics worked a treat for the Brexit referendum and some people are ok with the result that we got on that one. Back in the day, there would have been embarrassment , followed by resignation for politicians found to have lied during election campaigns but, now, it seems, that anything goes and it's just getting dafter and dafter. What does seem a little disgusting is the 10+ years of austerity that has suddenly stopped in it's tracks and Boris has turned into a posh male version of Viv Nicholson, who famously used the phrase spend, spend, spend. Not only is he now happy to open the cheque book but, seems happy to reverse every cost cutting measure of the last 10 years and neither party seems too concerned about how their spending plans will be paid for.

Cronus wrote: Labour pledges free broadband for all ...by part-nationalising BT (despite saying BT weren't on their 'list' only a few months ago), creating a new company and taxing tech giants to run it. Do they actually listen to themselves? We'll all be paying a 90% tax rate after a few years if this lot get into No.10. Actually, quick, someone tell McDonnell about Steak & Blowjob Day...you never know, it could become law. I like your last idea, finally something we can agree on The GE bidding war is utterly ridiculous but, dare I say that those same tactics worked a treat for the Brexit referendum and some people are ok with the result that we got on that one. Back in the day, there would have been embarrassment , followed by resignation for politicians found to have lied during election campaigns but, now, it seems, that anything goes and it's just getting dafter and dafter. What does seem a little disgusting is the 10+ years of austerity that has suddenly stopped in it's tracks and Boris has turned into a posh male version of Viv Nicholson, who famously used the phrase spend, spend, spend. Not only is he now happy to open the cheque book but, seems happy to reverse every cost cutting measure of the last 10 years and neither party seems too concerned about how their spending plans will be paid for.

Re: General Election campaign : Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:18 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I like your last idea, finally something we can agree on

The GE bidding war is utterly ridiculous but, dare I say that those same tactics worked a treat for the Brexit referendum and some people are ok with the result that we got on that one.
Back in the day, there would have been embarrassment , followed by resignation for politicians found to have lied during election campaigns but, now, it seems, that anything goes and it's just getting dafter and dafter.
What does seem a little disgusting is the 10+ years of austerity that has suddenly stopped in it's tracks and Boris has turned into a posh male version of Viv Nicholson, who famously used the phrase spend, spend, spend.
Not only is he now happy to open the cheque book but, seems happy to reverse every cost cutting measure of the last 10 years and neither party seems too concerned about how their spending plans will be paid for.

At least Viv was spending her own money!

Re: General Election campaign : Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:35 am  

IR80 wrote:

At least Viv was spending her own money!

Indeed and both of the main parties are just pretending that they are going to spend.
Not until their manifestos are revealed, will either of the main parties be subject to any scrutiny.

For now, they are just chucking pebbles into a pond and watching how the ripples form.