[Pumpetypump]

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:12 pm  

chissitt wrote:

I quite agree, but in the interest of fairness don't you agree that you ought to be less selective about the Tory element and share the criticism among all parties, or are you that one eyed like the 3 bowery boys on here from the Wakey board.

I don't vote Conservative or Labour so don't view any of these conversations from any sort of tribal prism. It really is a stretch to cling to the mindset that "They are all as bad as each other" so criticism needs to be dished out to all in equal measure. There's one side of the political divide that's really letting itself and the country down. The other side is a little bit feeble and insipid but there's no comparison.

Re: Why ? : Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:06 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Happy to look at and discuss the numbers for all second jobs if you can provide them. I just went with what I found first that seemed interesting/relevant to me.

If we are looking at second jobs more broadly, I think we do have to acknowledge a world of difference between somebody like Dr Phillipa Whitford MP of the SNP helping patients with breast cancer during parliamentary recess and what are effectively paid lobbying roles.

I agree

Re: Why ? : Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:16 am  

The Lib Dem’s are proof why it’s better to keep your independence and definitely stay clear of the Conservatives.

Re: Why ? : Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:51 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The Lib Dem’s are proof why it’s better to keep your independence and definitely stay clear of the Conservatives.

Weren't they formed by 4 over ambitious labour politicians who thought they could do better?

Re: Why ? : Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:23 am  

chissitt wrote:

Weren't they formed by 4 over ambitious labour politicians who thought they could do better?

They trace back to the 1850s.

Re: Why ? : Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:08 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

They trace back to the 1850s.

Roy Jenkins isn't that old surely.

Re: Why ? : Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:43 am  

chissitt wrote:

Roy Jenkins isn't that old surely.

We can only do our best but you'll need to want to cure your ignorance yourself as well.

Re: Why ? : Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:54 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The Lib Dem’s are proof why it’s better to keep your independence and definitely stay clear of the Conservatives.

The same Lib Dem’s that formed a government with the conservatives purely to try and stay relevant?

Re: Why ? : Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:48 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

We can only do our best but you'll need to want to cure your ignorance yourself as well.

Maybe your best just ain't good enough.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Why ? : Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:56 am  

I could always see why the Lib Dems would want to take a role in a governing coalition, but they accepted an unbelievably bad deal. Essentially handing over their support for nothing meaningful, taking responsibility without getting any power.

I remember seeing Danny Alexander challenged on how little they’d got and him talking about how many more MPs the Conservatives had than the Lib Dems. True enough, but you’d think that the party of proportional representation might have tried arguing their position based on share of the vote. It remains my gold standard for bad political decision making. Still, Clegg was able to use being Deputy Prime Minister (hah!) to convince Zuckerberg to give him an undoubtedly well-paid job and I assume he gets to spend a lot of time in the States where people don’t know the damage his decision did to his party. So leading that party worked out better for him personally than for Tim Farron or Jo Swinson, for example.