Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Nothing like loading the question.

I don't want to go over old ground but I consider there to be a factual basis for my beliefs, as well as a spiritual basis.

Factual is probably the wrong word, as what constitutes a 'FACT' is, as these boards regularly show us, entirely subjective. It would be more accurate to say that there is no evidential basis for your beliefs.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:24 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Factual is probably the wrong word, as what constitutes a 'FACT' is, as these boards regularly show us, entirely subjective. It would be more accurate to say that there is no evidential basis for your beliefs.

Again, I would disagree and say that there is ample evidence.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:36 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Again, I would disagree and say that there is ample evidence.

brainwa.... forget it.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:40 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Again, I would disagree and say that there is ample evidence.

So, no need for the old 'faith' malarky, then?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:42 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Again, I would disagree and say that there is ample evidence.

Excellent. You won't have any problem linking to the peer-reviewed papers and/or scientific journals that support your claims, then.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:52 pm  

Mintball wrote:

So, no need for the old 'faith' malarky, then?

No, you need faith in Jesus in order to be saved.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:52 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Excellent. You won't have any problem linking to the peer-reviewed papers and/or scientific journals that support your claims, then.

Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:55 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?

that's the commonly accepted definition

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:01 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?

It can come in many forms but pointing to something like the Turin Shroud is certainly not evidence that it once contained Jesus. All it is, is evidence of a piece of old cloth with an unusual stain on it, that if you were to squint in a strange way, you might "see" an image that resembles an arcane representation of what someone thought Christ may have looked like.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:04 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Are you saying evidence only comes in the forms mentioned above?

For scientific purposes, yes.