Answer me this... When will the Global Financial Crisis, Labour circa 2008, and Coronavirus no longer be the fall guys? At what point do the Tories say "this is a problem of our own making" with regards to any future crises in Britain? For a party who preach 'personal repsonsibility', they're bloody terrible at accepting any themselves. Why is it always someone else's fault?

I see the right wing rags are already lining up China as the new 'enemy of the people', and Michel Barnier has been targetted as the UK government's 'patient zero'.

The whole point about mers etc was that drs scientists etc we re very clear that anyone of those viruses could mutate and be much more serious. That is why the 2016 nhs test was based on one of those viruses but with the level of infection and death rate of covid. It was not a case of IF there would be an outbreak but WHEN . The NHS failed that test spectacularly. The government were warned of this and DiD nothing to prepare any contingency plans.

As for the issue if floods. The Government sets standards and guidelines on building. By allowing the building in flood areas they are saying to builders it is Ok to keep building there. Big builders see that as a green light to continue. Then when they flood the government has to then spend a fortune with taxpayers money to increase flood defences.

You me and the rest of the taxpayers are paying a blank cheque in terms of flood defences so builders can make profits.

The government has the ability to control that but is choosing not too. Is it because many building companies fund the Tory party ?

As I mentioned before if the NHS took measure to ensure it was ready for every eventuality you would need to dump the whole GDP of the UK into the NHS every year. Its a judgement call about how you use resources - sometimes you win sometimes you don't. Hindsight is a great thing. The outbreak could have been another SARS with very limited impact.

So if the construction businesses cannot get planning permission then the risk of flooding is negated to zero - so whilst council a big chunk of which will be Labour allow building in flood plains then you can hardly blame the builders from doing just that. Then you have the consumers who buy these houses - surely they also have a responsibility for their actions too? In your eyes only the builders are to blame - big business its all their fault - easy to blame them!!

So when the incumbents do it, it's appropriate "fiscal measures," but when your fantasy Labour government do it - it's a magic money tree?

As for the GLOBAL financial crash of 2008 - you know, as does everyone else, that Labour had similar "fiscal measures" to take when that "very unusual set of circumstances" landed; and Alistair Darling is widely recognised as having done a pretty decent of job of getting the big international banks round the table and forcing them to accept measures to mitigate the damage.

You knew all that though - you just insist on behaving like an idiot.

But you are correct about British innovation



Who else would come up with receipt swopping as a practical ruse to dodge taxes, where they band together to swop receipts around to each other.

You do make me laugh tho, I been in amongst it for 40 years, I can name names, what’s your experience of it?

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I completely agree about the way Labour handled the banking crisis - the fall out had to happen at some point. Fortunately for Labour they had gone when the day of reckoning occurred. What I find puzzling is what you expected the coalition to do - carry a huge debt burden indefinitely?

The only good thing about what has happened is that Labour didn't get into power - we would have debt on a scale never seen before. They would have taken this virus scare as an opportunity to re-nationalise as much as possible plus all the other stuff they wanted to do - it would have been eye-watering and it would have had to be paid back at some point and the only realistic way would have been through increased taxation.

Again though - you are describing exactly what the current Govt *are* doing, through the lens of what some scary, dystopic, fantasy Labour Govt *might* do; and I can assure you that private business and the self-employed will, without any shadow of a doubt, see increased taxation to foot the bill for the hard-left socialist interventions of Rishi Sunak. For the next five years at least, the Tories have a baked-in excuse to replace the 'last Labour Government' lie they've been telling about austerity for the previous ten years.

Interesting that you mention "carry a huge debt burden indefinitely? "

The current situation is going to make the crash of 2007 look like a blip, he £billions being used by world governments to try and sure up their economies is just mind boggling.
I wonder whether the front line NHS staff will have their wages frozen or cut, as a reward for literally putting their lives on the line.

Pritti Patel though she was being magnanimous in suggesting that those from outside the UK who are part of the effort to save lives can "stay another 12 months" for being part of the "war" effort.
Those people should, if they want it, be given British citizenship.
The numbers, in the scale of things are miniscule and if anyone has earned the right to live in the UK, those people most certainly have.

It's lucky for her that the opposition is ineffective and that there are more important things for us all to worry about - she's a bloody disgrace to the office that she holds.

No it wont - the 330bn to support business will not cost the government a penny - they are not providing the money just a guarantee to the banks. You try and get one of these loans - unless you are prepared to put your property on the line the banks aren't interested. They will only lend on this scheme if they can't find a way to lend you the money on a different scheme at higher interest rates e.g. increase ID facility.

So we are left with the 80% support which runs for 3 months let's say its 3m at 2,500 a month - £7,500 times 5 million is c£40bn let's say it lasts 6 months and its 10 million c£160bn given Labour were happy to spend c£250bn on its green policy doesn't look crippling to me. There will be delay in meeting VAT and PAYE payments but that will be caught up within 18 months. The challenge in all of this and the unknown is how long it will take for normal business to resume and will the government extend the 80% longer?

I completely agree about the nursing staff - they should be encourage to stay given the heroic efforts they have made.

I cannot see an elongated period of austerity to be an option at the end of this - increased taxation across the board will be needed - CT revenues will be well down as will VAT receipts etc.

People talk about revisionist history, this is revisionist future.

Will Rishi's splurge have to be paid back, and if so, how do you think it will be paid back?