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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri May 29, 2020 2:58 pm  
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We have spent considerable time discussing this issue over several days. With this in mind and in view of the statement issued by Durham Police, I now consider the matter closed and will be adding no additional comment.

(probably).

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The old "silence the critics" clause. Did someone mention dictatorship :wink:
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri May 29, 2020 3:48 pm  
Mild Rover wrote:
It is Dominic Cummings speech at IPPR in 2014.

Obviously, it is against the rules to post links to video sharing sites - but this has been made available by the Institute of Public Policy Research themselves, so I think I’m sticking to the spirit of the rules by hinting at how you might find it. If this leads to lots of people posting links to copyrighted materials, then, because I suspect Admin value me less as a moderator than Johnson values Cummings as an advisor, I’ll be sacked from my unpaid role. So, everyone, please don’t.

I can’t easily give you a weblink anyway as I have the App on my iPad, and I can’t work out how.

The speech and Q&A is a bit longer than I remembered, but as I say I found it interesting.


If you're searching for this, look for "The Hollow Men" lecture. It is well worth watching. Cummings has some interesting ideas on government and I agree with some of his critique on the civil service and Ministers.

It is also quite amusing to watch his relationship with the Conservative party. Generally the whole route to advancement in Tory circles involves deference, sucking up, going out and defending the indefensible on behalf of someone else. Cummings doesn't bother with any of that, doesn't do any of the party events, he's not even a member, and he's got a job that everybody in CCHQ covets. He derides the Cabinet and he derides suck ups, and he will find it hilarious that they are all now making themselves look stupid to cover up for him. He doesn't give a poop about their reputations or if the Conservative party suffers lasting damage from stuff he does. He is focused on himself and his projects. At some point he'll leave No.10 and move in to a private sector project and he won't care if the Tories lose the next election. It's not his problem. A few Tory MPs seem to have realised this - he uses the Conservative party (and now the government) for his purposes and doesn't care what damage he causes, and really they should ditch him.

I was thinking about what would have happened if Corbyn had been PM and Seumus Milne had done this. You would have had some of the same issues. They have that 'solidarity' thing on the left. Corbyn would not have been bullied by the press into sacking Milne. Burgon, Gardiner would be making fools of themselves on TV making excuses for him.

The big difference would have been, that if Milne thought his ongoing presence would jeopardise the 'Corbyn project', he would have resigned. He could have stuck around in the background for a while, waited for the moment later on when Corbyn could bring him back in to a different role. In politics, sackings/resignations are rarely permanent, Cummings knows that, so do Priti Patel, Gavin Williamson etc. Milne would have gone because he'd have prized 'the project' above himself. Cummings only values himself, and he will have got his kicks out of 'getting one over' the media, and if that comes at political cost to Boris and his government, he won't lose sleep over it.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri May 29, 2020 8:48 pm  
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it's worth considering the impact a couple of hundred thousand would have in addition to normal net migration of about 230k a year.


What about a couple of hundred million?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... itizenship
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it's worth considering the impact a couple of hundred thousand would have in addition to normal net migration of about 230k a year.


What about a couple of hundred million?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... itizenship
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri May 29, 2020 9:48 pm  
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What about a couple of hundred million?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... itizenship

Or perhaps three million? (read the article) :wink:

It would probably be boring for me to repeat the same thing. What's your view on a possible 3,000,000 Hong Kongese moving to the UK?
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What about a couple of hundred million?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... itizenship

Or perhaps three million? (read the article) :wink:

It would probably be boring for me to repeat the same thing. What's your view on a possible 3,000,000 Hong Kongese moving to the UK?
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri May 29, 2020 10:08 pm  
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Or perhaps three million? (read the article) :wink:

It would probably be boring for me to repeat the same thing. What's your view on a possible 3,000,000 Hong Kongese moving to the UK?


It will help the shortage of fruit pickers and also help shore up the value of peoples' property too?
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri May 29, 2020 10:45 pm  
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Or perhaps three million? (read the article) :wink:

It would probably be boring for me to repeat the same thing. What's your view on a possible 3,000,000 Hong Kongese moving to the UK?


I just went with your theory that 'not all of those would come'. You suggested a figure of 200k out of 300k. 2m out of 3m is the same ratio. Let 'em come. The tabloids can blame them if no deal doesn't work out.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Fri May 29, 2020 10:49 pm  
What your view of the fact that the Tower Hamlets May of lost out of between 25 & 30 million pounds because of an agreement between Robert Jenrick and a Tory donor. He even agreed it was dishonest rather than release his papers regarding the discussions he had with the developers. I guess he thought levelling up referred to the building that was on the site which needed to be demolished.
This is the same MP who went to his second or third home during lockdown. I am sure Cronus will be disgusted at a further questionable action during a Johnson tenure.
The list grows on a daily basis but I suppose when you have a PM who likes the title and kudos but not the work. I believe he is on double time if he has to work on a weekend.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sat May 30, 2020 7:19 am  
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What your view of the fact that the Tower Hamlets May of lost out of between 25 & 30 million pounds because of an agreement between Robert Jenrick and a Tory donor. He even agreed it was dishonest rather than release his papers regarding the discussions he had with the developers. I guess he thought levelling up referred to the building that was on the site which needed to be demolished.
This is the same MP who went to his second or third home during lockdown. I am sure Cronus will be disgusted at a further questionable action during a Johnson tenure.
The list grows on a daily basis but I suppose when you have a PM who likes the title and kudos but not the work. I believe he is on double time if he has to work on a weekend.

Nobody has sexed up a document and sent us to an illegal war... just sayin', "he without sin" n all that. :WHISTLE:
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sat May 30, 2020 9:43 am  
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Nobody has sexed up a document and sent us to an illegal war... just sayin', "he without sin" n all that. :WHISTLE:


Tbf, it is hardly like us liberal leftie types unanimously rallied around that decision and embraced Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Along with the PFI and the cuddling up to rather than properly regulating the City, it is one of the three great stains on the New Labour era in Government.
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Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sat May 30, 2020 11:32 am  
The numbers are in,

Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have taken 38,000 “urinations” each, during the course of the last week. :D
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