Re: Woolwich incident : Wed May 29, 2013 10:38 am  

Mintball wrote: More widely, a couple of interesting comment pieces: This from the Indy on censoring 'hate preachers'. The Baroness really is a full on tit!

Mintball wrote: More widely, a couple of interesting comment pieces: This from the Indy on censoring 'hate preachers'. The Baroness really is a full on tit!

[DaveO]

Re: Woolwich incident : Wed May 29, 2013 1:00 pm  

Mintball wrote: More widely, a couple of interesting comment pieces: This from the Indy on censoring 'hate preachers'. And this from the Huff Post Canada on the nature of jihad. An interesting couple of articles. It would be good for a Paxman type to have a go at the "hate preachers" but equally it would go a long way to defusing the issue if the points made in the huff post article were put to the mainstream Muslim religious leaders in the UK.

Mintball wrote: More widely, a couple of interesting comment pieces: This from the Indy on censoring 'hate preachers'. And this from the Huff Post Canada on the nature of jihad. An interesting couple of articles. It would be good for a Paxman type to have a go at the "hate preachers" but equally it would go a long way to defusing the issue if the points made in the huff post article were put to the mainstream Muslim religious leaders in the UK.

Re: Woolwich incident : Wed May 29, 2013 3:06 pm  

DaveO wrote:

An interesting couple of articles. It would be good for a Paxman type to have a go at the "hate preachers" but equally it would go a long way to defusing the issue if the points made in the huff post article were put to the mainstream Muslim religious leaders in the UK.

Completely agree.

If that's correct about the idea of jihad being so mainstream, then it's not difficult to see that that lessens the distance, if you will, that needs to be bridged for radicalisation/brainwashing.

On the other piece, I rather liked the idea, posited (not by me) via Twitter, that David Mitchell would be able to do that sort of an interview rather well.

Re: Woolwich incident : Wed May 29, 2013 6:42 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Well indeed, if you look at anything east of, say, Italy you'll find a far more sophisticated ancient "culture", or even to the North African Muslim "Moors" who populated the northern coasts of the Med in the Middle Ages - far more advanced by means of design and decoration - a trip around the Far East section of the Royal Armouries to see the steel lined quilted silk armour and laquered weaponary that dates back long before we Anglo Saxons had been invaded by Normans (who in turn taught us about architecture) will show that.

It comes and goes, moves around I suppose.

Re: Woolwich incident : Thu May 30, 2013 8:24 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Well indeed, if you look at anything east of, say, Italy you'll find a far more sophisticated ancient "culture", or even to the North African Muslim "Moors" who populated the northern coasts of the Med in the Middle Ages - far more advanced by means of design and decoration - a trip around the Far East section of the Royal Armouries to see the steel lined quilted silk armour and laquered weaponary that dates back long before we Anglo Saxons had been invaded by Normans (who in turn taught us about architecture) will show that.

Quite so, Southern Spain has also absorbed and is enriched by much of the Moorish culture in terms of architecture, decor and cuisine.

Re: Woolwich incident : Thu May 30, 2013 12:51 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Well indeed, if you look at anything east of, say, Italy you'll find a far more sophisticated ancient "culture", or even to the North African Muslim "Moors" who populated the northern coasts of the Med in the Middle Ages - far more advanced by means of design and decoration - a trip around the Far East section of the Royal Armouries to see the steel lined quilted silk armour and laquered weaponary that dates back long before we Anglo Saxons had been invaded by Normans (who in turn taught us about architecture) will show that.

The Celts are a bit of an enigma: they had a culture that is often overlooked mainly because they were, as far as we know, illiterate but also because of the "barbarian" tag used by the Romans. It is thought that they had a sophisticated level of maths, astronomy and an appreciation of nature.

Their "knot" artwork of sinuous form is every bit as complex as Islamic tile patterns and is studied by modern mathematicians.

They mined and worked precious metals (and were very good at it) had sophisticated trade links and a road system that stetched from Ireland into Europe.

I'm not claiming they were better than "anyone" just that there was more to their culture than they are given credit for.

Re: Woolwich incident : Thu May 30, 2013 1:18 pm  

Dreamer wrote:

...
I'm not claiming they were better than "anyone" just that there was more to their culture than they are given credit for.

... and underlines the richness of overlaid layers of cultural influences.

Re: Woolwich incident : Thu May 30, 2013 2:32 pm  

I wonder what Baha Mousa's family makes of it all

Re: Woolwich incident : Thu May 30, 2013 3:14 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

... and underlines the richness of overlaid layers of cultural influences.

NO!!!!

THERE SHOULD ONLY BE ONE CULTURE!

So spaketh the word of Dally, and I think we all know what that one culture should be, problem is, and Dally doesn't know this yet, but the perceived "English" culture is a bastardisation of everything else that has been mentioned on these last two pages, including Celtic & Nordic design and French architecture.

Re: Woolwich incident : Thu May 30, 2013 3:30 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

NO!!!!

THERE SHOULD ONLY BE ONE CULTURE!

So spaketh the word of Dally, and I think we all know what that one culture should be, problem is, and Dally doesn't know this yet, but the perceived "English" culture is a bastardisation of everything else that has been mentioned on these last two pages, including Celtic & Nordic design and French architecture.

As are most cultures.