Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:41 am  

Doesn’t alter the fact that he is perfectly capable of answering questions in this country.

If you felt you were innocent would you travel or willingly comply with an extradition order forcing you to travel from one country to another for a crime you hadn’t been found guilty of? For a crime you had yet to be charged with however late in the day that is done in the Swedish system? When that accusation hasn’t even provided a prima facie case to answer never mind being proved, simply that an accusation has been made and there are simply questions someone wants to ask?

Bradley Manning has been in prison for 800 days without trial because of Wikileaks, would that not make you at least a little nervous?

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:44 am  

I heard a very disturbing story today.

Apparently Sweden needs to show no evidence to the UK govt in order to request extradition as part of an EU treaty.

On the face of it, this shouldn't be a problem with a liberal country like Sweden but does the same hold for countries like Romania? Presumably so.

Of course, like most EU rulings there is a list of countries who are not bound by it, France, Germany etc

Strangely enough the UK isn't one of them.

[Kosh]

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:01 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote: I heard a very disturbing story today. Apparently Sweden needs to show no evidence to the UK govt in order to request extradition as part of an EU treaty. On the face of it, this shouldn't be a problem with a liberal country like Sweden but does the same hold for countries like Romania? Presumably so. Of course, like most EU rulings there is a list of countries who are not bound by it, France, Germany etc Strangely enough the UK isn't one of them. You might at least try checking out these stories before making yourself look daft/gullible. Here - I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant No charge.

XBrettKennyX wrote: I heard a very disturbing story today. Apparently Sweden needs to show no evidence to the UK govt in order to request extradition as part of an EU treaty. On the face of it, this shouldn't be a problem with a liberal country like Sweden but does the same hold for countries like Romania? Presumably so. Of course, like most EU rulings there is a list of countries who are not bound by it, France, Germany etc Strangely enough the UK isn't one of them. You might at least try checking out these stories before making yourself look daft/gullible. Here - I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant No charge.

[Kosh]

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:05 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Doesn’t alter the fact that he is perfectly capable of answering questions in this country.

If you felt you were innocent would you travel or willingly comply with an extradition order forcing you to travel from one country to another for a crime you hadn’t been found guilty of? For a crime you had yet to be charged with however late in the day that is done in the Swedish system? When that accusation hasn’t even provided a prima facie case to answer never mind being proved, simply that an accusation has been made and there are simply questions someone wants to ask?

Bradley Manning has been in prison for 800 days without trial because of Wikileaks, would that not make you at least a little nervous?

Is there any particular reason why Assange should be treated differently than any other person would be in the same circumstances?

Swedish law has been followed to the letter. A valid EAW has been issued. The UK courts have examined the EAW and issues surrounding it in significant detail all the way up to the highest court in the land. Why should Assange be allowed to opt out of a valid legal procedure?

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:10 am  

Kosh wrote: You might at least try checking out these stories before making yourself look daft/gullible. Here - I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant No charge. He says citing Wikipedia!

Kosh wrote: You might at least try checking out these stories before making yourself look daft/gullible. Here - I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant No charge. He says citing Wikipedia!

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:12 am  

Kosh wrote: You might at least try checking out these stories before making yourself look daft/gullible. Here - I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant No charge. And in any case the post was designed to act as more of a question than a statement. To facilitate discussion if you will. Maybe next time you could find a (decent) source and post the link, rather than post a link to "Wiki" and start hurling abuse.

Kosh wrote: You might at least try checking out these stories before making yourself look daft/gullible. Here - I'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant No charge. And in any case the post was designed to act as more of a question than a statement. To facilitate discussion if you will. Maybe next time you could find a (decent) source and post the link, rather than post a link to "Wiki" and start hurling abuse.

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:14 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Doesn’t alter the fact that he is perfectly capable of answering questions in this country.

If you felt you were innocent would you travel or willingly comply with an extradition order forcing you to travel from one country to another for a crime you hadn’t been found guilty of? For a crime you had yet to be charged with however late in the day that is done in the Swedish system? When that accusation hasn’t even provided a prima facie case to answer never mind being proved, simply that an accusation has been made and there are simply questions someone wants to ask?

Bradley Manning has been in prison for 800 days without trial because of Wikileaks, would that not make you at least a little nervous?

That's rubbish smokey and you know it. That means no-one can be arrested until after they have been charged, prosecuted and convicted. He has been accused of a very serious crime. A country with a perfectly acceptable legal system, human rights record and corruption record has issued an arrest warrant that complies with the law. Assange has had recourse to UK law, he failed. He then broke UK law. He should be arrested and extradited to Sweden. Anything else about Wikileaks or the US is just guff.

As for Bradley Manning, while I don't think he should be mistreated, I hope he spends a long time in prison. He recklessly put lives at risk. He could have quite easily only released information on despicable things like torture/rendition etc. if he'd just done that he would have had my full support. He didn't. As someone with friends and family serving in the armed forces, I hope he spends a long time in prison. Assuming he did it of course.

[Kosh]

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:15 am  

XBrettKennyX wrote: He says citing Wikipedia! Not everything on Wiki is wrong. If you'd prefer a less concise source... http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/ ... 167_en.htm They're not exactly uncontroversial, but not for the reasons you listed.

XBrettKennyX wrote: He says citing Wikipedia! Not everything on Wiki is wrong. If you'd prefer a less concise source... http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/ ... 167_en.htm They're not exactly uncontroversial, but not for the reasons you listed.

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:19 am  

Kosh wrote: Not everything on Wiki is wrong. If you'd prefer a less concise source... http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/ ... 167_en.htm They're not exactly uncontroversial, but not for the reasons you listed. That's better. Now all you have to do is to drop the personal insults and you will be partaking in a discussion forum in the manner in which it was intended.

Kosh wrote: Not everything on Wiki is wrong. If you'd prefer a less concise source... http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/ ... 167_en.htm They're not exactly uncontroversial, but not for the reasons you listed. That's better. Now all you have to do is to drop the personal insults and you will be partaking in a discussion forum in the manner in which it was intended.

Re: Julian Assange : Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:23 am  

Well I am still none the wiser. There is nothing there that I can see that prevents say Romania from asking for the extradition of a UK national without presenting evidence.