Re: The right to die : Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:27 pm  

Put numerous safe guards and consultations in place make sure that you have to see at least 10 different people, doctors, shrinks the works.
Make this process last up to 2 years and then and only then if the patient still wants to die and all the people they've seen are happy it is solely the will of the patient and there is no duress or peer pressure grant them the wish to die in a similar way to the Swiss clinic deaths.

Re: The right to die : Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:35 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

... Disease, strokes and other conditions only entered the world as a result of our rebellion against God.

Ah, so there's another creator out there creating all these things.

Good. Glad we've cleared that up.

Re: The right to die : Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:38 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

My point is that human beings should not decide who lives and who dies.

Really? So you've never received any medical treatment whatsoever then? You only drink rain water you've collected yourself?

Re: The right to die : Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:00 pm  

Him wrote:

Really? So you've never received any medical treatment whatsoever then? You only drink rain water you've collected yourself?

Only meat hunted and killed by himself - let's not be having any of those namby-pamby, ungodlike meat hygiene inspectors checking it's safe, eh?

No paracetamol; no sun lotion - where does such idiocy stop?

Re: The right to die : Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:07 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Only meat hunted and killed by himself - let's not be having any of those namby-pamby, ungodlike meat hygiene inspectors checking it's safe, eh?

No paracetamol; no sun lotion - where does such idiocy stop?

The OP's idiocy is as infinite as his imaginery god.

Re: The right to die : Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:04 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

God didn't give Tony Nicklinson his stroke.

Disease, strokes and other conditions only entered the world as a result of our rebellion against God.

A stroke is not a "thing" like a brick, or a budgie, Nicklinson's stroke didn't "enter the world", it does not physically exist. A "stroke" is a word used to describe a particular sequence of physical events that occurred in his body.

I'm not sure if Nicklinson "rebelled against god" but I'm damn sure Gary Barlow's baby didn't so how come your big man killed that, then? Or have you some further crackpot explanation of why such deadly conditions kill off even the newborn who have rebelled against fsck all?

Re: The right to die : Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:56 am  

I have a thing or two to add to this conversation .
I would like to say that Kirkstaller ain't a bad bloke if you take the time to have a chat instead of just slating him for his views on religion .

Whatever your opinions on the subject it has affected all of us in a big way .

Apart from christenings , weddings , and funerals , think how much of the music you listen to by great performers would never have reached your ears if it hadn't been for the singers being discovered in church/gospel choirs ? I'm guessing quite a lot of it . Just take a look at the number of Afro-American female ledgends .
The likes of Jones , Westenra , and Jenkins came from choirs . Any Saints fans having a dig at religion should pause and have a think about the roots of their club song .
Can you see where I am going with this bit ? Think that is enough on that subject for now .

Back on topic . If you are able to make a decision on wether you want to end your life then it should be allowed . Counselling and assistance should be given . It would allow people to reach the end of their life with some dignity , and allow family and friends to say a final farewell whilst their loved one is still breathing .
As far as I am aware a doctor can choose DNR . Doctors and family are allowed to switch off life-support . What is so different , or wrong about the patient making the choice ?


By the way . How many of you will be singing Abide With Me at Wembley on Saturday ? I know I will be doing so if I get there .

Re: The right to die : Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:43 am  

BaldRick wrote:

I have a thing or two to add to this conversation .
I would like to say that Kirkstaller ain't a bad bloke if you take the time to have a chat instead of just slating him for his views on religion .

Whatever your opinions on the subject it has affected all of us in a big way .

Apart from christenings , weddings , and funerals , think how much of the music you listen to by great performers would never have reached your ears if it hadn't been for the singers being discovered in church/gospel choirs ? I'm guessing quite a lot of it . Just take a look at the number of Afro-American female ledgends .
The likes of Jones , Westenra , and Jenkins came from choirs . Any Saints fans having a dig at religion should pause and have a think about the roots of their club song .
Can you see where I am going with this bit ? Think that is enough on that subject for now .

By the way . How many of you will be singing Abide With Me at Wembley on Saturday ? I know I will be doing so if I get there .

Oh dear.

Re: The right to die : Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:59 am  

So we should keep religion, because we get some chart hits and football anthems out of it.

Great plan. I'm convinced. Perhaps we should also keep burning at the stake, I love bonfire night.

Re: The right to die : Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:12 am  

Neil wrote:

The OP's idiocy is as infinite as his imaginery god.

Very true.